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j_ung
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vegastradguy wrote: jt512 wrote: gosharks wrote: cjon3s wrote: Let me just clarify that I think weight does have an effect. Not on the friction or any of that, but lowering someone very heavy on a grigri is motr finnicky than with an atc. Thoughts? No difference if you are lowering properly. I weigh 120lbs; everybody I belay weighs more than I do. I hate to admit it, but I agree with cjon3s. The smoothness of lowering with a grigri is more rope dependent than with an ATC. Grigris are "grabby" with some ropes, and if you're lowering a heavier partner using one of these "grabby" ropes, then every time the grigri "grabs" you get pulled off your feet. ATCs don't seem to be as prone to this problem. Jay yeah, the 3 to 1 for the first few degrees on the new grigri is meant to give you more control to deal with this problem on a wider range of ropes. they also redesigned the actual track the rope sits in (it has a more 'V' shape to it, like an ATC-Guide without the ribs), which should also compensate somewhat for different diameters. time will tell if it actually does- i wish Petzl had either had a testing area for the device at the show or at least let us play with them somewhat- as it stands, i really cant tell you how its going to perform.
I also agree. Weight might not have a direct impact on lowering with a Grigri, but getting yanked around while working the clutch to control a thin rope isn't exactly conducive to easy operation. That's one of several reasons why many people find the Grigri more difficult to use well than a tube-style device. Add a relatively inexperienced belayer to the mix, and the result can be -- and has been -- disastrous.
Hats off to Petzl for recognizing that rope tech long ago left belay tech in the dust... and then doing something about it. Can't wait to try this thing out!
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spikeddem
Jan 26, 2011, 3:29 PM
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Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.
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currupt4130
Jan 26, 2011, 4:36 PM
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Good looks for the video they put out this time. I think they did a way better job stressing the importance of how to use the device correctly this time around.
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gamehendge
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I've had the opportunity to use several times in the past few months. The Gri Gri 2 is awesome. It's much lighter (20%), much smaller (25%) and the better ergonomic shape fits in your hand better. The feeding action is fast (I use the new technique) and the lowering is very smooth. It has a new variable cam making the control when lowering much better. Good job Petzl.
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vegastradguy
Jan 26, 2011, 5:48 PM
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spikeddem wrote: Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.
Its the same price as the original grigri, which has been selling at $95 for the past year or so.
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shoo
Jan 26, 2011, 6:01 PM
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gamehendge wrote: I've had the opportunity to use several times in the past few months. The Gri Gri 2 is awesome. It's much lighter (20%), much smaller (25%) and the better ergonomic shape fits in your hand better. The feeding action is fast (I use the new technique) and the lowering is very smooth. It has a new variable cam making the control when lowering much better. Good job Petzl.
Holy marketing talking points batman!
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spikeddem
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vegastradguy wrote: spikeddem wrote: Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing. Its the same price as the original grigri, which has been selling at $95 for the past year or so.
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styndall
Jan 26, 2011, 7:11 PM
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I'm pretty sure mine was less than $60.
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vegastradguy
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spikeddem wrote: vegastradguy wrote: spikeddem wrote: Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing. Its the same price as the original grigri, which has been selling at $95 for the past year or so. Yeah, I kinda realized that like half an hour after I made that post. Hard to believe. I wonder what percentage of owners purchased their grigri at full cost. I got mine for about $68 or something.
so did i- 8 years ago at full retail. i will not be repeating that for the grigri2.
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caughtinside
Jan 27, 2011, 3:54 AM
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spikeddem wrote: Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.
$95 is actually what the old grigri cost new. I think I paid $65 for my first one in 2003 or so, and when I turned around a couple years later they retailed at $95.
I don't think they'll have any problem selling those things.
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caughtinside
Jan 27, 2011, 3:55 AM
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vegastradguy wrote: spikeddem wrote: Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing. Its the same price as the original grigri, which has been selling at $95 for the past year or so.
Damn. I should have read the whole thread instead of just posting ground up.
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moose_droppings
Jan 27, 2011, 4:57 AM
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caughtinside wrote: Damn. I should have read the whole thread instead of just posting ground up.
Rap posting is the new ground up.
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mattm
Jan 27, 2011, 2:37 PM
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IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing.
Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind.
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kachoong
Jan 31, 2011, 2:51 PM
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mattm wrote: IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing. Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind.
Yeah, I got a grigri in about 95 and then in 97 swapped it with a friend for a pair of Footfang crampons. A great deal for me since I hardly used it and needed 'pons. Lately I've been thinking about getting one again but wanted to wait for the GG2.
Does anyone know if anyone other than Mountain Gear is selling the GG2?
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mattm
Jan 31, 2011, 3:02 PM
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kachoong wrote: mattm wrote: IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing. Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind. Yeah, I got a grigri in about 95 and then in 97 swapped it with a friend for a pair of Footfang crampons. A great deal for me since I hardly used it and needed 'pons. Lately I've been thinking about getting one again but wanted to wait for the GG2. Does anyone know if anyone other than Mountain Gear is selling the GG2?
AFAIK, only MGear has them avail for pre-order. I'm sure most of the major vendors will have them around the same time. Mgear and MtnTools are the only vendors I', aware of that list climbing specific gear for "pre-order".
I could be way off on this of course.
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vegastradguy
Jan 31, 2011, 4:27 PM
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kachoong wrote: mattm wrote: IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing. Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind. Yeah, I got a grigri in about 95 and then in 97 swapped it with a friend for a pair of Footfang crampons. A great deal for me since I hardly used it and needed 'pons. Lately I've been thinking about getting one again but wanted to wait for the GG2. Does anyone know if anyone other than Mountain Gear is selling the GG2?
the first shop in the nation to get them will be DRS in vegas- 60 of them arrive this week. Travis is happy to ship anywhere in the u.s.
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idbstyler
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Do you have any contact information for DRS? Or do they have a webiste?
vegastradguy wrote: kachoong wrote: mattm wrote: IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing. Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind. Yeah, I got a grigri in about 95 and then in 97 swapped it with a friend for a pair of Footfang crampons. A great deal for me since I hardly used it and needed 'pons. Lately I've been thinking about getting one again but wanted to wait for the GG2. Does anyone know if anyone other than Mountain Gear is selling the GG2? the first shop in the nation to get them will be DRS in vegas- 60 of them arrive this week. Travis is happy to ship anywhere in the u.s. |
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billcoe_
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idbstyler wrote: Do you have any contact information for DRS? Or do they have a webiste?
http://tinyurl.com/45dhv2x
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vegastradguy
Feb 4, 2011, 4:31 AM
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their first order arrives tomorrow- 30 shiny grey grigri2s to the first 30 customers!
the blue and gold grigris come in a few weeks from what i hear.
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tower_climber
Feb 4, 2011, 6:22 AM
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Ordered mine from Mountain Gear. They claimed to be getting the orange (gold) GG2s in on the 10th. If that doesn't happen, I'm going to cancel and wait for DRS to get them in. I <i>really</i> want the orange one.
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idbstyler
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Yea, I prefer the orange one also. I'm gonna have to wait and see who has them in stock first.
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tower_climber
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I'd say place an order with Mountain Gear if you want the orange. They have limited stock coming in, and they won't charge your car until the item ships. My plan is to call them on the 10th (the expected date of arrival). If they don't have them, I'm canceling my order and calling DRS to put one on reserve.
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billcoe_
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I'll go $40 to the first person who hates theirs and wants to sell it used.
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idbstyler
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I just spoke to one of the guys over at DRS and he told me that they haven't received there shipment yet. He said that UPS can drop off anytime between 10am-5pm. He also told me that there about 1-2months out from receiving the blue and orange ones 
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