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Rudmin
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To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned.
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JAB
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And the brother didn't make it.
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epoch
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Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned.
Though props to him for doing the absolute right thing on all counts.
Make a detailed plan and give it to someone trustworthy.
Do not deviate from said plan, unless you contact said trustworthy person and update them too.
Bring some food, water, extra clothes/o'shit-kit.
If something happens and you cannot realistically do anything, stay put.
Help will come, and this guy knew it, despite the scene below him. I'm sure that emotionally he's not doing to well.
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epoch
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epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Though props to him for doing the absolute right thing on all counts. Make a detailed plan and give it to someone trustworthy.
Do not deviate from said plan, unless you contact said trustworthy person and update them too.
Bring some food, water, extra clothes/o'shit-kit.
If something happens and you cannot realistically do anything, stay put. Help will come, and this guy knew it, despite the scene below him. I'm sure that emotionally he's not doing to well.
That Aaron Rawlston guy fucked up on many accounts and look what happened to him. This guy should make much more than that....
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bearbreeder
Mar 18, 2011, 3:59 PM
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stopper knot at the ends of the rope would have prevented it perhaps?
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kovacs69
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bearbreeder wrote: stopper knot at the ends of the rope would have prevented it perhaps?
Maybe he did have a stopped knot but the rope got cut somewhere. Who knows...
JB
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Rudmin
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It's also possible he misthreaded a rappell device somehow.
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epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough*
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marc801 wrote: epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Why the "*cough*"?
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wwalt822
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This thread should stay. As far as we know they were not using caynoneering specific techniques. That last thread from majid that got locked down was about someone who died because they had 20ft of slack in the line and jumped off relying on their brake hand, nothing really to discuss or learn from there. It would be beneficial for climbers to learn what caused this accident with the most likely reason being going off the end of one rope or misthreading.
(This post was edited by wwalt822 on Mar 18, 2011, 6:06 PM)
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Gmburns2000
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spikeddem wrote: marc801 wrote: epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Why the "*cough*"? Because this is a climbing forum. Epoch has a thing about it.
Odd how certain people aren't jumping in to trash the OP despite it being a single link without a summary in the post...oh, that's right, this isn't Majid posting it. Sorry, my bad.
(yes, it should remain for discussion)
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kovacs69
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Gmburns2000 wrote: spikeddem wrote: marc801 wrote: epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Why the "*cough*"? Because this is a climbing forum. Epoch has a thing about it. Odd how certain people aren't jumping in to trash the OP despite it being a single link without a summary in the post...oh, that's right, this isn't Majid posting it. Sorry, my bad. (yes, it should remain for discussion)
I just wanted to beat Majid at his own game just once. I will never post an accident again unless it happens to me or one of my partners.
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Gmburns2000
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kovacs69 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: spikeddem wrote: marc801 wrote: epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Why the "*cough*"? Because this is a climbing forum. Epoch has a thing about it. Odd how certain people aren't jumping in to trash the OP despite it being a single link without a summary in the post...oh, that's right, this isn't Majid posting it. Sorry, my bad. (yes, it should remain for discussion) I just wanted to beat Majid at his own game just once. I will never post an accident again unless it happens to me or one of my partners. JB
Just to be clear, I'm OK with your post (and Majid's, too)
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wwalt822 wrote: This thread should stay. As far as we know they were not using caynoneering specific techniques. That last thread from majid that got locked down was about someone who died because they had 20ft of slack in the line and jumped off relying on their brake hand, nothing really to discuss or learn from there. It would be beneficial for climbers to learn what caused this accident with the most likely reason being going off the end of one rope or misthreading.
I got this report the first day but did not to post in RC till I find out what went wrong.Rappelling in canyon even thought some people in RC think that is not part of rock climbing still shares the same gear and techniques and so far in 2011, almost five people have died from it. There are over 55 ways to get killed from rappelling and been stuck in a canyon or any remote area surly ranks the top on the list.
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spikeddem
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epoch wrote: wwalt822 wrote: This thread should stay. As far as we know they were not using caynoneering specific techniques. That last thread from majid that got locked down was about someone who died because they had 20ft of slack in the line and jumped off relying on their brake hand, nothing really to discuss or learn from there. It would be beneficial for climbers to learn what caused this accident with the most likely reason being going off the end of one rope or misthreading. No one said it was going to disappear or get locked. Continue discussionings....
Would Majid not have been banned?
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majid_sabet
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kovacs69 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: spikeddem wrote: marc801 wrote: epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Why the "*cough*"? Because this is a climbing forum. Epoch has a thing about it. Odd how certain people aren't jumping in to trash the OP despite it being a single link without a summary in the post...oh, that's right, this isn't Majid posting it. Sorry, my bad. (yes, it should remain for discussion) I just wanted to beat Majid at his own game just once. I will never post an accident again unless it happens to me or one of my partners. JB
I knew about it the minute it was a news but wanted to be sure on what went wrong before mentioning it plus, wabitt haters can't wait till i post something then they will be either destroy it, lock it or,call the 24/hr guard to detain me for crossing my probation or some other RC violation.
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A detailed account of the accident can be found at
http://communique.uccs.edu/?p=3270
It appears that the rope did not quite reach the ground and one end of the rope slipped through the rappel device.
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majid_sabet wrote: kovacs69 wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: spikeddem wrote: marc801 wrote: epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Why the "*cough*"? Because this is a climbing forum. Epoch has a thing about it. Odd how certain people aren't jumping in to trash the OP despite it being a single link without a summary in the post...oh, that's right, this isn't Majid posting it. Sorry, my bad. (yes, it should remain for discussion) I just wanted to beat Majid at his own game just once. I will never post an accident again unless it happens to me or one of my partners. JB I knew about it the minute it was a news but wanted to be sure on what went wrong before mentioning it plus, wabitt haters can't wait till i post something then they will be either destroy it, lock it or,call the 24/hr guard to detain me for crossing my probation or some other RC violation.
Bullshit.
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robdotcalm wrote: A detailed account of the accident can be found at http://communique.uccs.edu/?p=3270 It appears that the rope did not quite reach the ground and one end of the rope slipped through the rappel device. rob.calm
looks like stopper knots might have helped ...
good on the survivor for surviving with a level head ...
all it takes is one mistake ...
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Gmburns2000 wrote: spikeddem wrote: marc801 wrote: epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Why the "*cough*"? Because this is a climbing forum. Epoch has a thing about it. Odd how certain people aren't jumping in to trash the OP despite it being a single link without a summary in the post...oh, that's right, this isn't Majid posting it. Sorry, my bad. (yes, it should remain for discussion)
This "certain person" has been away at a conference for two days, with very little spare time. I'm not a fool - if, by the time I see it, a productive thread has sprung up, I'm not going to do anything.
But seriously, is it really too much to ask of people to briefly summarize stories in this forum, rather than simply post links? If so, that's... disappointing.
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Wow...I feel for the survivor losing his brother, but impress on his survival skills.
I would really like to know what happen on the rappell.
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blondgecko wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: spikeddem wrote: marc801 wrote: epoch wrote: Rudmin wrote: To summarize: a canyoneer got stuck on a ledge after his brother rappelled off one end of their rope and pulled it down with him. He had some food and water and knew that after a few days the family would realize they hadn't returned. *cough* Why the "*cough*"? Because this is a climbing forum. Epoch has a thing about it. Odd how certain people aren't jumping in to trash the OP despite it being a single link without a summary in the post...oh, that's right, this isn't Majid posting it. Sorry, my bad. (yes, it should remain for discussion) This "certain person" has been away at a conference for two days, with very little spare time. I'm not a fool - if, by the time I see it, a productive thread has sprung up, I'm not going to do anything. But seriously, is it really too much to ask of people to briefly summarize stories in this forum, rather than simply post links? If so, that's... disappointing.
you're not the only fool, so don't completely accept the burden so liberally.
btw - plenty of majid's threads turn into productive ones, too.
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kovacs69
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blondgecko wrote: This "certain person" has been away at a conference for two days, with very little spare time. I'm not a fool - if, by the time I see it, a productive thread has sprung up, I'm not going to do anything. But seriously, is it really too much to ask of people to briefly summarize stories in this forum, rather than simply post links? If so, that's... disappointing.
This OP will endeavor to do better next time.
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