Forums: Climbing Information: Injury Treatment and Prevention:
Knee trouble
RSS FeedRSS Feeds for Injury Treatment and Prevention

Premier Sponsor:

 


ceebo


Apr 1, 2011, 7:07 AM
Post #1 of 7 (1146 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Nov 8, 2009
Posts: 862

Knee trouble
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

Hey, for about 4-5 month now my right knee is giving me slight pain. I traced back to a route i was working that had a really hard heel hook. I had to pull my entire weight over to the right foot from a lay back. I worked the route for about 2 weeks, so this seems the likely course.

The pain is not intense, i don't notice it when climbing. I do however notice it in every day life, not so much when just walking.. but if my knee is bent back anything past walking motion the dull pain is distinctive and noticeable, feels quite stiff.

I have done quite a bit research into it but i am still unable to pin point what rehabilitation methods i should go with.. since im not entirely sure what part i have injured Unsure


jbro_135


Apr 1, 2011, 9:56 AM
Post #2 of 7 (1121 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Nov 14, 2009
Posts: 662

Re: [ceebo] Knee trouble [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (1 rating)  
Can't Post

ceebo wrote:
Hey, for about 4-5 month now my right knee is giving me slight pain. I traced back to a route i was working that had a really hard heel hook. I had to pull my entire weight over to the right foot from a lay back. I worked the route for about 2 weeks, so this seems the likely course.

The pain is not intense, i don't notice it when climbing. I do however notice it in every day life, not so much when just walking.. but if my knee is bent back anything past walking motion the dull pain is distinctive and noticeable, feels quite stiff.

I have done quite a bit research into it but i am still unable to pin point what rehabilitation methods i should go with.. since im not entirely sure what part i have injured Unsure

free-soloing in the gym with a 3-foot piece of rope attached to your harness should cure it


ceebo


Apr 1, 2011, 1:07 PM
Post #3 of 7 (1104 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Nov 8, 2009
Posts: 862

Re: [jbro_135] Knee trouble [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

jbro_135 wrote:
ceebo wrote:
Hey, for about 4-5 month now my right knee is giving me slight pain. I traced back to a route i was working that had a really hard heel hook. I had to pull my entire weight over to the right foot from a lay back. I worked the route for about 2 weeks, so this seems the likely course.

The pain is not intense, i don't notice it when climbing. I do however notice it in every day life, not so much when just walking.. but if my knee is bent back anything past walking motion the dull pain is distinctive and noticeable, feels quite stiff.

I have done quite a bit research into it but i am still unable to pin point what rehabilitation methods i should go with.. since im not entirely sure what part i have injured Unsure

free-soloing in the gym with a 3-foot piece of rope attached to your harness should cure it

That is ingenious, thnx.


chilli


Apr 1, 2011, 1:30 PM
Post #4 of 7 (1090 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Nov 11, 2007
Posts: 400

Re: [ceebo] Knee trouble [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (1 rating)  
Can't Post

FYI: online forum diagnostics just maybe possibly might not yield the best results. (worth a thought)

needless to say, your best option is to talk with an orthopedic specialist, or even a GP for some help or referral.

in the meantime, it would be helpful to those around here capable of giving you some insight if you could specify the pain and localize it more. also, it's important to know when/where in your range of motion (i.e. full extension, or full flexion, or partial) you notice the problem. details like sharp pain/dull pain, constant/intermittent, weightbearing/non-weightbearing, when/what activities cause discomfort, is there any instability of the joint, etc, etc are worthwhile. also, with regard to the localization, think about things like how deep the pain (is it in the middle of the joint or more exterior) is & which side/site on your knee is uncomfortable (if you can specify).

all these questions (and more) would be addressed by a physical exam and/or diagnostic imaging or other ancillary tests. since we can't do that over the interweb, you've got to be as specific as possible, so someone who knows a thing or 2 about PT or human medicine (i.e. not me) may be able to point you to some resources.


(This post was edited by chilli on Apr 1, 2011, 1:32 PM)


ceebo


Apr 1, 2011, 2:38 PM
Post #5 of 7 (1074 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Nov 8, 2009
Posts: 862

Re: [chilli] Knee trouble [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

When standing the pain starts when the knee is at around 90 degree and continues anywhere past that.

I notice when bending the knee past 90 their is a very light snag on the right side of the knee, near the knee cap. Putting my finger on it, it feels like it is rubbing past a ligament or something, and it does the same when i lower my leg past 90 again. Both knees do that, i don't know if that is normal.

I hooked my foot around the door like a little heel hook. Under that pressure it at least resembles something i would define as pain. It feels quite a deep pain, i cant quite locate it. Tempted to say it feels like the lower half of the knee, slightly on the outer side.


(This post was edited by ceebo on Apr 1, 2011, 2:42 PM)


onceahardman


Apr 1, 2011, 3:51 PM
Post #6 of 7 (1056 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Aug 3, 2007
Posts: 2469

Re: [ceebo] Knee trouble [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

ceebo,

Chilli's post is quite good. If you can't describe better where you feel the symptoms, and use terms like *greater than 90 degrees of flexion* rather than, "when I lower my leg past 90 again", it's tough to figure out exactly what you mean. Anatomic language is quite precise.

The "very light snag" is probably a red herring, because you have it on both sides, but only have symptoms on one side.

"Hooking your heel", I would call "resisted hamstring testing". If that provokes your symptoms, that could indicate a hamstring strain, or a hamstring tendinosis, since it has become kind of chronic at this point. If that is the case, some (initially gentle) hamstring strengthening could be indicated.

A hamstring injury is also consistent with your described mechanism of injury (although there are other possibilities).


ceebo


Apr 2, 2011, 5:04 AM
Post #7 of 7 (1029 views)
Shortcut

Registered: Nov 8, 2009
Posts: 862

Re: [onceahardman] Knee trouble [In reply to]
Report this Post
Average: avg_1 avg_2 avg_3 avg_4 avg_5 (0 ratings)  
Can't Post

onceahardman wrote:
ceebo,

Chilli's post is quite good. If you can't describe better where you feel the symptoms, and use terms like *greater than 90 degrees of flexion* rather than, "when I lower my leg past 90 again", it's tough to figure out exactly what you mean. Anatomic language is quite precise.

The "very light snag" is probably a red herring, because you have it on both sides, but only have symptoms on one side.

"Hooking your heel", I would call "resisted hamstring testing". If that provokes your symptoms, that could indicate a hamstring strain, or a hamstring tendinosis, since it has become kind of chronic at this point. If that is the case, some (initially gentle) hamstring strengthening could be indicated.

A hamstring injury is also consistent with your described mechanism of injury (although there are other possibilities).

Ok thnx, i will look for strengthening info on that. I also found some rehab info on IT band issues, so i will put in some of that for good measure.


Forums : Climbing Information : Injury Treatment and Prevention

 


Search for (options)

Log In:

Username:
Password: Remember me:

Go Register
Go Lost Password?
$77.36 (10% off)
$13.46 (10% off)
$8.96 (10% off)
$13.46 (10% off)



Follow us on Twiter Become a Fan on Facebook