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sungam
May 6, 2011, 3:23 AM
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Ugh. Looks like the Scottish Nationalist Party is back in. What a fucking shipwreck.
To quote a friend: "It's like their only real policy, other then 'money for everybody! Vote for us!' was that they will give everyone in Scotland a cookie. Then they held a big poll to see if everybody wanted a cookie and the result was that no, nobody wants the cookie. So now what the hell are their policies?"
(He is referring to the fact that the majority of Scots voted that they did not want to be independent from the UK, and independence really was the SNP's only real policy).
Tax freeze! No tuition fees at universities! Benefits for everybody! No fees on bridges! No policies on cutting the deficit or stimulating the economy! YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FUCKING MONEY LEFT, YOU ARE KILLING THIS COUNTRY'S ECONOMY.
To quote Reno "STOP. SPENDING. MONEY.".
Ugh.
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sungam
May 6, 2011, 3:26 AM
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The only good thing is that the Scottish government still has very limited power.
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imnotclever
May 6, 2011, 6:14 AM
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imnotclever
May 6, 2011, 6:14 AM
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imnotclever
May 6, 2011, 6:16 AM
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Ok, now that I'm done fukking around. Explain the fees on bridges. Is it normal to have a toll on all of your bridges?
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sungam
May 6, 2011, 6:46 AM
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imnotclever wrote: Ok, now that I'm done fukking around. Explain the fees on bridges. Is it normal to have a toll on all of your bridges?
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macherry
May 6, 2011, 6:48 AM
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i thought the queen was the boss of you
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sungam
May 6, 2011, 6:50 AM
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macherry wrote: i thought the queen was the boss of you
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dr_feelgood
May 6, 2011, 7:32 AM
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imnotclever wrote: Ok, now that I'm done fukking around. Explain the fees on bridges. Is it normal to have a toll on all of your bridges?
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enigma
May 8, 2011, 3:10 PM
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dr_feelgood wrote: imnotclever wrote: Ok, now that I'm done fukking around. Explain the fees on bridges. Is it normal to have a toll on all of your bridges? If we don't get no tolls, we don't get no rolls.
Bridges always need work, can you imagine driving on one and it gives way. Could be a real nightmare.
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dr_feelgood
May 8, 2011, 5:34 PM
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enigma wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: imnotclever wrote: Ok, now that I'm done fukking around. Explain the fees on bridges. Is it normal to have a toll on all of your bridges? If we don't get no tolls, we don't get no rolls. Bridges always need work, can you imagine driving on one and it gives way. Could be a real nightmare.
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yanqui
May 9, 2011, 11:29 AM
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The ways of the Scottish are often difficult to understand:
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Gmburns2000
May 9, 2011, 2:04 PM
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sungam wrote: imnotclever wrote: Ok, now that I'm done fukking around. Explain the fees on bridges. Is it normal to have a toll on all of your bridges? Just on the really expensive ones that used to have fees. Actually I can just think of one, the forth road bridge. The previous government had built all these new buildings and stuff to streamline the paying of the toll, then the SNP was like "no fees! vote for us!" and now th buildings are just sitting there, a waste of money that wasn't paid for by the ones it was made for.
last time I was there the bridge to Skye was fucking expensive as hell, but it was a tad bit quicker than taking the ferry.
tolls on roads makes sense, especially the forth road bridge.
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Gmburns2000
May 9, 2011, 2:05 PM
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sungam wrote: macherry wrote: i thought the queen was the boss of you It's kinda like federal/state powers.
except that the provinces in canada have more power than the states in the US, who have more power than the Scottish Parliament.
I would have eaten the cookie.
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sungam
May 10, 2011, 7:45 AM
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Gmburns2000 wrote: sungam wrote: macherry wrote: i thought the queen was the boss of you It's kinda like federal/state powers. except that the provinces in canada have more power than the states in the US, who have more power than the Scottish Parliament. I would have eaten the cookie.
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Gmburns2000
May 10, 2011, 12:23 PM
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sungam wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: sungam wrote: macherry wrote: i thought the queen was the boss of you It's kinda like federal/state powers. except that the provinces in canada have more power than the states in the US, who have more power than the Scottish Parliament. I would have eaten the cookie. You didn't read the health warnings on the cookie:"Warning: side effects may include heavy socialism".
Yah, I got that. Not something that I would prefer, to be honest, but let's face it, the only way Scotland would survive as a separate country from the rest of the UK is with European subsidies. Personally, and theoretically, of course, if you're going to need the money regardless of the country's politico-economic structure, and if the best way to acquire said money is via social programs, then why not make that the platform?
In short, I don't think it's a coincidence that the SNP is both the only pro-independence and heavy socialist party in Scotland. I think the two go hand-in-hand.
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sungam
May 11, 2011, 3:48 AM
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Gmburns2000 wrote: sungam wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: sungam wrote: macherry wrote: i thought the queen was the boss of you It's kinda like federal/state powers. except that the provinces in canada have more power than the states in the US, who have more power than the Scottish Parliament. I would have eaten the cookie. You didn't read the health warnings on the cookie:"Warning: side effects may include heavy socialism". Yah, I got that. Not something that I would prefer, to be honest, but let's face it, the only way Scotland would survive as a separate country from the rest of the UK is with European subsidies. Personally, and theoretically, of course, if you're going to need the money regardless of the country's politico-economic structure, and if the best way to acquire said money is via social programs, then why not make that the platform? In short, I don't think it's a coincidence that the SNP is both the only pro-independence and heavy socialist party in Scotland. I think the two go hand-in-hand.
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Gmburns2000
May 11, 2011, 7:10 AM
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sungam wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: sungam wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: sungam wrote: macherry wrote: i thought the queen was the boss of you It's kinda like federal/state powers. except that the provinces in canada have more power than the states in the US, who have more power than the Scottish Parliament. I would have eaten the cookie. You didn't read the health warnings on the cookie:"Warning: side effects may include heavy socialism". Yah, I got that. Not something that I would prefer, to be honest, but let's face it, the only way Scotland would survive as a separate country from the rest of the UK is with European subsidies. Personally, and theoretically, of course, if you're going to need the money regardless of the country's politico-economic structure, and if the best way to acquire said money is via social programs, then why not make that the platform? In short, I don't think it's a coincidence that the SNP is both the only pro-independence and heavy socialist party in Scotland. I think the two go hand-in-hand. Heeellll no they don't. Drop taxes on business through the floor and watch as during the transition all the british companies swarm to Scotland.
That's wishful thinking. Edinburgh ain't London and Glasgow ain't...well, maybe it is Manchester, but that's beside the point because Edinburgh isn't London.
Am I a classic Scottish-American romantic? Yeah, sure. Would I prefer lower taxes (and, therefore, would I move back?) Definitely. Can the two go together? Not anytime soon. If the SNP ever wins a referendum, at least at this stage, it is going to need to link that with money from Europe. There's no way around it (you're talking not only shifting the deficit with England to a surplus, but also a surplus large enough to pay for joint initiatives such as defense, immigration, banking, taxes, etc.).
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