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joewtc


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Hi guys, I have drafted some rescue scenarios with some improvised solutions. If you have time, take a look and give me some feedback. Thanks!

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B2lv25yiVrcDYTE1OTNiNmUtZDk4ZC00M2RlLTllODItYTkwZWIxMWJmZjky&hl=en&authkey=CJ2n0Y8D


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joewtc wrote:
Hi guys, I have drafted some rescue scenarios with some improvised solutions. If you have time, take a look and give me some feedback. Thanks!

https://docs.google.com/...amp;authkey=CJ2n0Y8D

instead of the tag u , use the tag url to make the link work!


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These "solutions" seem very specific for very general situations, and I guarantee that if you have to use any of these techniques, it won't work out exactly like you write it. In all of these cases, any actions are going to depend on a lot more factors than are given by the 2 line description. And as always, there are a lot of wrong choices, but there is no single right choice.

If you want to give people some useful reading, maybe grab a few detailed real life situations and then give the actual course of action as well as some other possible courses of action.


joewtc


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Thanks guys for the reply.

In a real situation, there are always millions of variables (e.g. traverse, can't set up bottom anchor, harness hang syndrome, hypothermia, etc.), which might make the rescue way easier or impossible. The trouble is, even if the real situation is exactly presented as in the "draft", I don't think the average climber can execute the rescue with much reliability given so many complicated steps.

I love climbing and rock-self-rescue has always been my side-hobby. One thing to add: the draft is just a draft, not intended to be "the solution".


csproul


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joewtc wrote:
... climbing and rock-self-rescue has always been my side-hobby....
I'm not sure if this makes me want to climb with you or to never climb with you! Does this mean that self-rescue techniques are a side hobby or that you have had to self-rescue so many times that it has become a hobby? If it's the former, you be a good climbing partner. If it's the latter...


joewtc


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Let me edit the wording to: an intellectual interest. How does it sound now?

Anyway, guys, let's not digress and give me some feedback please.


gunkiemike


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I didn't bother to count how many scenarios you have, with all the various sub-criteria. Likewise you give lots of rescue scenarios, most with various options. Bottom line - there is no One-Size-Fits-All set of steps, and any small text/article/booklet that suggests otherwise is doing climbers a real disservice.

My other take on this - I wish a lot more climbers would make SR a side hobby. I bet 90% of the weekend warriors out there can't do an effective haul, and 50% probably can't prusik up a rope. (either because they don't know how, or typically don't carry the requisite hard/software with them at all times)


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