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dreday3000


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Seneca Accident 4/9/11 - 4/10/11  (North_America: United_States: West_Virginia: Roped_Climbing: Seneca_Rocks_Region: The_Panhandle: Seneca_Rocks)
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I recovered the gear from the accident which occurred at Judgment Seat during the weekend of 4/9/11- 4/10/11. I left the gear at the Gendrarme climbing shop. If you're the owner of the equipment, stop by the shop and name the gear and they'll return your equipment.


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We also recover the rest of the gears on the upper section (3 or 4 cams) and left them with Tom Cecil. There was 1 cam we couldn't remove. It was completely overcammed.


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Sucks some body was hurt out there but good lookin out guys. Thanks for taking the time to recover their gear.


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Apr 22, 2011, 7:24 AM
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Kudos for not simply stuffing it in your pack like most folks would have.


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Re: [roninthorne] Seneca Accident 4/9/11 - 4/10/11 [In reply to]
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I would seriously doubt that MOST people would steal gear off the wall that they knew was left from a rescue. If I believe that, then there is no hope for humanity. This is one of the rules of booty

If you recover gear leftover from a rescue you have to do everything in your power to return it to the rightful owner. It may not even belong to the climbing team involved in the accident. It could very well belong to a responding party.


tradmanclimbs


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Pretty sure that most folks knowing that it was an accident scene would return the gear to either the Gendarm or Tom Ceciels school.


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"The more things change, the more they stay the same. Everyone's a saint until you look the other way."


fluffybynomeans


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Overcammed cams/gear and an accident makes me think of inexperience. Probably better that the cams not reach the intended. I hope whomever was involved in the accident is okay but....


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fluffybynomeans wrote:
Overcammed cams/gear and an accident makes me think of inexperience. Probably better that the cams not reach the intended. I hope whomever was involved in the accident is okay but....

Making mistakes is a tried and true method for gaining experience.


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Agreed and also very very dumb...Does anyone really want to end up dead?

All i'm saying is another hobby may be of better interest to those that are into making mistakes such as this for a small gain in experience. These kinds of mistakes can and will take your life!


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fluffybynomeans wrote:
Agreed and also very very dumb...Does anyone really want to end up dead?

All i'm saying is another hobby may be of better interest to those that are into making mistakes such as this for a small gain in experience. These kinds of mistakes can and will take your life!
You don't even know that the cams belonged to the accident victims. And more often than not, an over-cammed cam is not particularly unsafe, just a pain in the ass to clean. Even "experienced" climbers overcam in moments of stress. If you've been climbing long enough, there's a good chance that you'll get a cam stuck at some point.


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fluffybynomeans wrote:
Overcammed cams/gear and an accident makes me think of inexperience. Probably better that the cams not reach the intended. I hope whomever was involved in the accident is okay but....

So we get to take away your car if you're in a fender-bender?

Suggesting that the cams be kept from their rightful owner make me think of arrogance.

Dave


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csproul wrote:
fluffybynomeans wrote:
Agreed and also very very dumb...Does anyone really want to end up dead?

All i'm saying is another hobby may be of better interest to those that are into making mistakes such as this for a small gain in experience. These kinds of mistakes can and will take your life!
You don't even know that the cams belonged to the accident victims. And more often than not, an over-cammed cam is not particularly unsafe, just a pain in the ass to clean. Even "experienced" climbers overcam in moments of stress. If you've been climbing long enough, there's a good chance that you'll get a cam stuck at some point.

Agreed. If it was the cam at the apex of the roof, it has been fixed there for years.


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fluffybynomeans wrote:
Overcammed cams/gear and an accident makes me think of inexperience. Probably better that the cams not reach the intended. I hope whomever was involved in the accident is okay but....

Normally I might agree, but in this case, I assume anybody climbing 5.10 at Seneca has a decent level of competency.


cclarke


Jun 9, 2011, 10:08 AM
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I believe it was a lowering accident so the quality of the gear didn't have anything to do with it.


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Ah, I see. Thx.


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