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sungam


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Where do you guys draw the line as to what is music and what is just noise?
I don't think that this is music. I mean I like a lot of 16bit's stuff... But WTF is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UexCBJF_n-4

But then my dad said that this didn't count as music, either. I think it does (song proper starts at 0:40).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Waqn0jBG58

But then one of my friends said that nothing played on the harmonica counts as music, and another said that straight singing wasn't music because there was no instruments.

Anyways, yeah. Discuss, or whatever.


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Bagpipes are close to the line. I just waffle about which side they fall on.


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imnotclever wrote:
Bagpipes are close to the line. I just waffle about which side they fall on.
Depends if they are trying to play "Eye of the Tiger" or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeQa20T3FOc at 2:00 if you dare...

Edit to correct time.


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edge


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imnotclever wrote:
Bagpipes are close to the line. I just waffle about which side they fall on.

If you throw a banjo, an accordian, and bagpipes off a tall building, which will hit first?


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edge wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Bagpipes are close to the line. I just waffle about which side they fall on.

If you throw a banjo, an accordian, and bagpipes off a tall building, which will hit first?


Who cares?


JoeHamilton


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I'm gonna jump and probably crash. (disclaimer this is opinion not fact) Music is a collection of sounds. Go primal, tapping sticks on rocks became music. People have made music out of the sounds on the street, sound s being operative they collected many sounds to put them together. Some argue rap is not group or band worthy due to not have instruments but mixing boards and sampling.

In those two u tube links , wouldn't the chain saw and the machine gun be the instrument? I judge a good singers voice be how you can hear the music in their voice without instruments to back it up.

Music is an art form, and we all know art is different to everyone and really cant be judged in a collective.

Noise can be turned into music, is where I'm going...


airscape


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edge wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Bagpipes are close to the line. I just waffle about which side they fall on.

If you throw a banjo, an accordian, and bagpipes off a tall building, which will hit first?

Two drums and a cymbal walk off a cliff...

Bah bah tshhhh


dan2see


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Anything that you play or sing is noise.

But it's OK if you sing solo. So low I can't hear you.


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airscape wrote:
edge wrote:
imnotclever wrote:
Bagpipes are close to the line. I just waffle about which side they fall on.

If you throw a banjo, an accordian, and bagpipes off a tall building, which will hit first?

Two drums and a cymbal walk off a cliff...

Bah bah tshhhh

What is the difference between a banjo and a harmonica?

A harmonica only sucks every other note.


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Many people hated Beethovens music back in his day. One could argue that he was the original minimalist.

The type of music you like is very much influenced by the type of music you've been exposed to. Conversely, and as disk jokeys have known full well since the early 50's, if you repeatedly listen to a song you hate, your brain will grow to tolerate and eventually like it. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Makes you think twice about letting your daughter play bieber on those long car trips huh?


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squierbypetzl wrote:
Many people hated Beethovens music back in his day. One could argue that he was the original minimalist.

The type of music you like is very much influenced by the type of music you've been exposed to. Conversely, and as disk jokeys have known full well since the early 50's, if you repeatedly listen to a song you hate, your brain will grow to tolerate and eventually like it. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Makes you think twice about letting your daughter play bieber on those long car trips huh?
So THAT's why I like country music now! Dammit!


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How about some Autechre? This is one of their more musical pieces. Some have little or no repetition and sound more like a they were made a based on random number generator algorithms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ZwTUUue1w


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hafilax wrote:
How about some Autechre? This is one of their more musical pieces. Some have little or no repetition and sound more like a they were made a based on random number generator algorithms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ZwTUUue1w
Sungie like!


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Wolf Eyes opened for Sonic Youth a few years back. I caught the last song of their set and it nearly ripped my head off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoPYY4oNq9A


ladyscarlett


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16 bit's remix of Little Dragon's Twice is the only track of the 16bit discography that makes it to my stereo.

http://www.youtube.com/...d-U&feature=fvsr

What is music and what is noise all seems so subjective. It's harder just making the distinction of what I like to hear - be it labeled noise or music. If I like it, I'll give it time on my stereo...

Autechre is pretty cool, but I feel most of his good stuff was some years back.

this month I'm all over Jon Hopkins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_5NJfSgE0s

I can't seem to stay away from the pretty.

Thanks for the share!

LS


qwert


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Why is the question music or noise?
A lot of stuff is both.

Take J bieber or some crap like this. Obivously this is music, by probably any definition of music. but it is still terrible noise!

and then hafilax last link. Obviously that is pure noise, but is still is music!

Anyways, heres some of the things that are probably both that i can think of right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3PTLq05qw
German Kraut Rock pioneers Kluster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qsWFFuYZYI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sNxRji1STg
8bit/bitpop stuff like these rymdreglage masterpieces is also mostly rather controversial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6mXLxUZvzg
or this thing, that seems to be indeed 100% made on a C64

But there are also quite a few subgenres of "rock music" that many folks can simply not listen too, and i am not talking about hair metal…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKz-M661AAU
earth
unfortunately you cant really listen to that in low youtube quality. Its just not the same, but you get the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94EZi03awhg
sunn0)))
same applies as said above. Its also of note that they supposedly started out as a cover band that played earths stuff…

And then there is some stuff that is definitely not music…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C26uCpEQqe0
though if you add severe amounts of alcohol to the equation …Crazy

qwert


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Aug 18, 2011, 8:57 AM
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qwert wrote:
And then there is some stuff that is definitely not music…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C26uCpEQqe0
though if you add severe amounts of alcohol to the equation …Crazy

qwert

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