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The moral and ethical (and racial) aspects of this are frankly disgusting:
http://thinkprogress.org/...e-american-children/

Has anyone else thought of Ms. Bachmann not as a caring stay at home mom of an extended family, but as a corporate participant in a systematic scheme to forcibly raise kids in a conservative christian environment?


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NPR just did a great piece on this. Amazing, and sickening, to think that this kind of crap is taking place today. It reads like a story from the 1850s.

The confluence of Christianity, racism/culturalism, and federal $$ is an ugly thing to behold.


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I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.


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I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

Heh....Why would you even WANT to change it if it came naturally? I mean, I thought you said it was a "choice" rather than a natural occurrence.


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I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

how did it work out pinky?


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macherry wrote:
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I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

how did it work out pinky?

I don't know, maybe adam'll tell us.


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I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

Ha! Remember, I'm married, to a chick, and sleep with her every night. And we have kids, too... Know how they are made?

You? Hell, the only thing you even get to put your finger into is a trigger guard, much less your dode.


On the sober side of things... If you'd bother to look into it a bit, both her husband and her solicite and accept state and federal $$$ for their clinic and foster care, as their home has been designated a "treatment center".

Kinda, anti-TeaPublican, isn't it? Well, I guess not really, since hypocracy is the mark of the Tea Party... No gobment funding of social stuff, unless they benifit from it... No gobment inserting itself into everything, unless of course it's Israel, mexicans, gays or abortion... Etc...

You are a solid TeaPublican, Eric... Every time I hear, "[so in so] speaks to their conservative 'base'", I think of you... As you are clearly deep in the middle of the herd, being lead to graze where ever they put you.


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pinktricam wrote:
macherry wrote:
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I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

how did it work out pinky?

I don't know, maybe adam'll tell us.

Over the years, it has been my observation that males from the south will most often imply homosexuality in an opponent in argument, as though that is the strongest insult that they can think of.

though much of this hateful prejudice still exists, especially in the "south", in these times, trying to insult someone by implying that they are gay, is akin to trying to insult them by implying that they drink coffee.

says more about Eric's mindset, that he thinks being gay is a strong insult, or bad in some meaningful way. its just another way he reveals his essentially hateful mind.


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The moral and ethical (and racial) aspects of this are frankly disgusting:
http://thinkprogress.org/...e-american-children/

Has anyone else thought of Ms. Bachmann not as a caring stay at home mom of an extended family, but as a corporate participant in a systematic scheme to forcibly raise kids in a conservative christian environment?

I think what's going on in South Dakota (and many other states) is majorly fucked up.

I also think that Bachmann is a total whack job, and if elected, would probably be our worst president ever.

But with that being said, I have seen nothing that suggests that their home has ever provided anything but a positive environment for their foster kids.

To suggest otherwise, merely based on a political agenda, is pretty lame.

I mean, unless you are against the entirety of the foster system in the US. In which case, I'd like to hear your brilliant suggestion to take its place.

GO


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robbovius wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
macherry wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

how did it work out pinky?

I don't know, maybe adam'll tell us.

Over the years, it has been my observation that males from the south will most often imply homosexuality in an opponent in argument, as though that is the strongest insult that they can think of...

...and yet they're the same ones always caught with a hard drive full of kiddie porn.

Curt


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robbovius wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
macherry wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

how did it work out pinky?

I don't know, maybe adam'll tell us.

Over the years, it has been my observation that males from the south will most often imply homosexuality in an opponent in argument, as though that is the strongest insult that they can think of.

though much of this hateful prejudice still exists, especially in the "south", in these times, trying to insult someone by implying that they are gay, is akin to trying to insult them by implying that they drink coffee.

says more about Eric's mindset, that he thinks being gay is a strong insult, or bad in some meaningful way. its just another way he reveals his essentially hateful mind.

That's RICH!

...and funny that you only mention it now and not those gazillion times the "insult" was tossed my way Laugh


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pinktricam wrote:
robbovius wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
macherry wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

how did it work out pinky?

I don't know, maybe adam'll tell us.

Over the years, it has been my observation that males from the south will most often imply homosexuality in an opponent in argument, as though that is the strongest insult that they can think of.

though much of this hateful prejudice still exists, especially in the "south", in these times, trying to insult someone by implying that they are gay, is akin to trying to insult them by implying that they drink coffee.

says more about Eric's mindset, that he thinks being gay is a strong insult, or bad in some meaningful way. its just another way he reveals his essentially hateful mind.

That's RICH!

...and funny that you only mention it now and not those gazillion times the "insult" was tossed my way Laugh


Read carefully, pink... How many that have 'insulted' you are from the south?


See... This is your problem with your entire world view... You only scan, cherry picking things that work for you, ignoring the rest. Thus, your world view is VERY unbalanced and skewed.


Anf the irony is really in your reply above, as you kinda proved his point... That males in the South see it as the worst kinda insult. You seem to remember each and every one of the 'gazillion' times it was tossed out at you, then throw it out at others thinking it will have the same effect on them that it has on you. Missing the fact that most are far more secure than you.


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cracklover wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
The moral and ethical (and racial) aspects of this are frankly disgusting:
http://thinkprogress.org/...e-american-children/

Has anyone else thought of Ms. Bachmann not as a caring stay at home mom of an extended family, but as a corporate participant in a systematic scheme to forcibly raise kids in a conservative christian environment?

I think what's going on in South Dakota (and many other states) is majorly fucked up.

I also think that Bachmann is a total whack job, and if elected, would probably be our worst president ever.

But with that being said, I have seen nothing that suggests that their home has ever provided anything but a positive environment for their foster kids.

To suggest otherwise, merely based on a political agenda, is pretty lame.

I mean, unless you are against the entirety of the foster system in the US. In which case, I'd like to hear your brilliant suggestion to take its place.

GO

No, I think that power and money and religion all corrupt. It is virtually impossible to tell if someone is doing something like being a foster parent for the money (not much unless you go corporate - it does appear that Bachmann had no more than 3 at a time), or to promote your religion (i.e. to spread the word of god to children who would be receptive), or out of genuinely altruistic sense.

A politician who parades around an altruistic past, regardless of their political views, makes me think that what they are parading around isn't as pure as they want me to think. Hence trying to look to see what other motives they had.

I also suspect that the decisions around foster care are also influenced by racism, but as yet have no clear data to tell me so.


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pinktricam wrote:
robbovius wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
macherry wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
I understand that her husband teaches a class or something to change your natural inclinations, adam.

how did it work out pinky?

I don't know, maybe adam'll tell us.

Over the years, it has been my observation that males from the south will most often imply homosexuality in an opponent in argument, as though that is the strongest insult that they can think of.

though much of this hateful prejudice still exists, especially in the "south", in these times, trying to insult someone by implying that they are gay, is akin to trying to insult them by implying that they drink coffee.

says more about Eric's mindset, that he thinks being gay is a strong insult, or bad in some meaningful way. its just another way he reveals his essentially hateful mind.

That's RICH!

...and funny that you only mention it now and not those gazillion times the "insult" was tossed my way Laugh

PTC, try to think for a minute.

When you try to use homosexuality as an insult towards people such as Adam, it is with the traditional (and largely southern) intent of feminizing, emasculating, and weakening your insultee. In today's day and age, this use of the insult is becoming less and less effective, but that's a whole 'nother subject.

When most long-timers in the Soap Box rib you with homosexual-themed jabs, they are hearkening back to a comment you made years ago, when you stated that you had had some homosexual experiences, but you have since repented, come to Jeebus, and atoned for your "sins."

So, THIS is what's important:

You call Adam "fag," "homo," "gay," or whatever, it is an interchangable, generic insult that has nothing to do with him personally, and that is honestly quite outdated.

When we call you "gay," we are telling you that you are a hypocritical, judgemental, self-denying and self-loathing possible closet case who is not comfortable with his own sexuality or that of others, so you hide behind a facade of homophobia.

You really need to go work this all out with George Rekers, Ted Haggard, Marcus Bachman, Roberto Arango, and Larry Craig. By this point in our society's degression, all rational people know that when conservative Christians go out of their way to attack homosexuality, they are probably self-loathing closet cases themselves.


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ROLFLMAO


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ROLFLMAO



Too easy.

Well, the old standby is that its only socialism if somebody else benefits.

I find the actions of South Dakota deeply disturbing, and were I either of the Bachmann's I'd rush to kill myself distance myself from that sort of clear welfare abuse. The whole point of foster care is to get kids out of a bad situation and into a good one, not bring money into state coffers. Of course, the Bachmanns might find it irrelevant (since they aren't South Dakotans) or not see how their position gives them a unique opportunity as spokespeople for fostering, so I can't judge them too hard for it (lord knows I've got plenty of other things I can judge them for).


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This picture. Amazing it is.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
The moral and ethical (and racial) aspects of this are frankly disgusting:
http://thinkprogress.org/...e-american-children/

Has anyone else thought of Ms. Bachmann not as a caring stay at home mom of an extended family, but as a corporate participant in a systematic scheme to forcibly raise kids in a conservative christian environment?

I think what's going on in South Dakota (and many other states) is majorly fucked up.

I also think that Bachmann is a total whack job, and if elected, would probably be our worst president ever.

But with that being said, I have seen nothing that suggests that their home has ever provided anything but a positive environment for their foster kids.

To suggest otherwise, merely based on a political agenda, is pretty lame.

I mean, unless you are against the entirety of the foster system in the US. In which case, I'd like to hear your brilliant suggestion to take its place.

GO

No, I think that power and money and religion all corrupt. It is virtually impossible to tell if someone is doing something like being a foster parent for the money (not much unless you go corporate - it does appear that Bachmann had no more than 3 at a time), or to promote your religion (i.e. to spread the word of god to children who would be receptive), or out of genuinely altruistic sense.

The two families I've known who always had foster kids were good people who provided some of the best care a kid could get outside of having a "real" mom and dad. But I'm not foolish enough to think that their motives for having the kids was entirely altruistic. When do any of us do anything for purely altruistic reasons? Even if you just need someone to love and care for, you're getting something out of it, too, and you'll have expectations that go with it, knowmsay'n?

Further, while I have zero use for religion in my life, and I feel that a lot of people just use it as a crutch at best, I've often suspected that there is one group for whom religion provides much more good than harm. People who've either been pretty fucked over by life, or who through addiction or a few too many bad choices have fucked themselves over. Kids in foster care have a good chance of falling in the first bucket, and some are well on their way into the second one. As such, I'm not sure a religious household might not be just the ticket to help them at least get on a firm footing long enough to get an education and learn a few lessons about the benefits of playing it straight.

Just my own thoughts on the matter. Although I want to make it abundantly clear that while Bachmann's religious views may be medicine for foster kids in need, I think it's absolutely poison for the country. She and her ilk are absolutely the last thing we need ru(i/n)ning the country.

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A politician who parades around an altruistic past, regardless of their political views, makes me think that what they are parading around isn't as pure as they want me to think. Hence trying to look to see what other motives they had.

Eh, whatever. Should a veteran not "parade" his/her service to the country? They're in the business of selling themselves. It's distasteful, but that's just the nature of politics.

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I also suspect that the decisions around foster care are also influenced by racism, but as yet have no clear data to tell me so.

Not sure what you mean by "the decisions". It's an unfortunate fact that most of the kids are going to come from lower socio-economic backgrounds than the foster parents, and race is correlated with that. Doesn't mean that some effort shouldn't be made to keep kids in families that share as much culturally with their own background as possible. And in the case of native americans, it becomes a much higher priority.

GO


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I find the actions of South Dakota deeply disturbing, and were I either of the Bachmann's I'd rush to kill myself distance myself from that sort of clear welfare abuse. The whole point of foster care is to get kids out of a bad situation and into a good one, not bring money into state coffers. Of course, the Bachmanns might find it irrelevant (since they aren't South Dakotans) or not see how their position gives them a unique opportunity as spokespeople for fostering, so I can't judge them too hard for it (lord knows I've got plenty of other things I can judge them for).

I couldn't agree more. I would add, though, that given how she has positioned herself as an outspoken advocate for foster kids, and given that SD is a neighbor of Minn, she would be negligent NOT to speak up in condemnation of SD's practices.

My guess is that she'll say as little as she can. If I'm right, it's pretty despicable.

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When most long-timers in the Soap Box rib you with homosexual-themed jabs, they are hearkening back to a comment you made years ago, when you stated that you had had some homosexual experiences, but you have since repented, come to Jeebus, and atoned for your "sins."
I honestly didn't know, or don't remember, that Eric had had pesis(es) in his mouth before.

Man... He is more of a hypocrite than I thought.

I now feel more pitty for him than disdain, as I see the source of his intense sexual frustration, insecurities, and self-loathing.


Eric,
It's OK, brutha... You are just like God made you. Accept it.

We have. Smile


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camhead wrote:
When most long-timers in the Soap Box rib you with homosexual-themed jabs, they are hearkening back to a comment you made years ago, when you stated that you had had some homosexual experiences, but you have since repented, come to Jeebus, and atoned for your "sins."
I honestly didn't know, or don't remember, that Eric had had pesis(es) in his mouth before.

Man... He is more of a hypocrite than I thought.

I now feel pitty for him, as I see the source of his intense sexual frustration, insecurities, and self-loathing.


Eric,
It's OK, brutha... You are just like God made you. Accept it.

We have. Smile


Cue up the Lady GaGa.


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Regarding the topic... I was in foster homes and group homes as a young teen. Many of them, as in Vegas, there are not many long term placements for teens, so they all run through the limited amount of temps, where we could only stay for 31 days... On that 31st day, our caseworker would show up, and hopefully we had another temp to go to, else we'd go to juvy to wait for another home to open up.

There is (was in the early 80s) a place called Child Haven there where we could go wait for a foster home, until we turned 16, as it is only for 15 and younger.


Temps get more money than perms, and all the temps were good. I had 3 permanent placements, and 2 of them sucked, the 3rd I screwed up:
1. Unemployed alcoholic bible thumper who beat his wife that had a job (ranaway)
2. Optimist Group Home, ran by a guy in his 40's who got busted screwing a teen girl at a previous group home he ran... They got married when she turned 18, and she was 19 when I was in the home, and she was an abusive drug addicted tyrant. (ranaway)
3. Nice people in Alamo, NV, population 300, everyone of them a devout mormon (including my foster parents), except for me, I was a Lutheran at the time. They basically voted me out of town in less than 6 months for screwing some of their daughters.


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