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On Rock and Ice today, I saw a video introducing a new style: Greenpointing. It is described as: The term used to define climbing a sport route without the bolts but using trad gear such as nuts and camming devices. I saw this, and the video on site, and had some thoughts. First, while I think it is great to have a new term to describe a new way to climb a sport route. However, I think that it could become overused quickly, as people brag about "greenpointing" an easy sport route, but I could be wrong.

Thoughts?

The link to the video on Rock and Ice:
http://rockandice.com/...-for-climbing-jargon


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Thoughts, yeah they're over thinking this too much.


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lame


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do you have to be stoned for the ascent to count?


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goldeneagle wrote:
On Rock and Ice today, I saw a video introducing a new style: Greenpointing. It is described as: The term used to define climbing a sport route without the bolts but using trad gear such as nuts and camming devices. I saw this, and the video on site, and had some thoughts. First, while I think it is great to have a new term to describe a new way to climb a sport route. However, I think that it could become overused quickly, as people brag about "greenpointing" an easy sport route, but I could be wrong.

Thoughts?

The link to the video on Rock and Ice:
http://rockandice.com/...-for-climbing-jargon


I'm pretty sure the old-timers would simply call it "climbing," while the young-uns would simply call it trad.

That's kind of a lame term.


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We've recently also seen an example of the elusive brown point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHVLdhXqmU0


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why wouldn't that shit just be called a trad ascent of the same route name? seems stupid to me, just like all the only names they seem to be coming up with


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Wonder why there are bolts if it is possible to protect it with 'trad' gear. May be something to do with my old fashioned British ethics.


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dlangdon wrote:
why wouldn't that shit just be called a trad ascent of the same route name? seems stupid to me, just like all the only names they seem to be coming up with

It wouldn't be a trad ascent, unless the climber did it onsight, ground up, without ever touching the bolts.


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Also, the term "greenpoint" is pretty lame, implying that there's some sort of environmental consciousness that comes with plugging cams in lieu of clipping bolts. Bolts do not cause global warming, kill endangered species, or pollute rivers.

Being tradical and mantling onto clifftops and slinging a tree, on the other hand...


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I rode TR to the top of a trad route while eating a sandwich the other day because they needed someone to clean it. What would you call that?


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
goldeneagle wrote:
On Rock and Ice today, I saw a video introducing a new style: Greenpointing. It is described as: The term used to define climbing a sport route without the bolts but using trad gear such as nuts and camming devices. I saw this, and the video on site, and had some thoughts. First, while I think it is great to have a new term to describe a new way to climb a sport route. However, I think that it could become overused quickly, as people brag about "greenpointing" an easy sport route, but I could be wrong.

Thoughts?

The link to the video on Rock and Ice:
http://rockandice.com/...-for-climbing-jargon


I'm pretty sure the old-timers would simply call it "climbing," while the young-uns would simply call it trad.

It's actually called real rock climbing. Cool

Curt


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I think it's pretty silly. If you want to do something like that as a personal challenge, that's great. To try to make hay out of it as some sort of ethical or environmental statement? Stupid. The mags are just trying to generate a little buzz.


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goldeneagle wrote:
On Rock and Ice today, I saw a video introducing a new style: Greenpointing. It is described as: The term used to define climbing a sport route without the bolts but using trad gear such as nuts and camming devices. I saw this, and the video on site, and had some thoughts. First, while I think it is great to have a new term to describe a new way to climb a sport route. However, I think that it could become overused quickly, as people brag about "greenpointing" an easy sport route, but I could be wrong.

Thoughts?

The link to the video on Rock and Ice:
http://rockandice.com/...-for-climbing-jargon

Grenpoint = no point


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jt512 wrote:
goldeneagle wrote:
On Rock and Ice today, I saw a video introducing a new style: Greenpointing. It is described as: The term used to define climbing a sport route without the bolts but using trad gear such as nuts and camming devices. I saw this, and the video on site, and had some thoughts. First, while I think it is great to have a new term to describe a new way to climb a sport route. However, I think that it could become overused quickly, as people brag about "greenpointing" an easy sport route, but I could be wrong.

Thoughts?

The link to the video on Rock and Ice:
http://rockandice.com/...-for-climbing-jargon

Greenpoint = no point what's the point?

Hey, these kids can't help it. They're just scraping the bottom of the barrel to somehow prove their unique radness is awl.


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JohnCook wrote:
Wonder why there are bolts if it is possible to protect it with 'trad' gear. May be something to do with my old fashioned British ethics.

I don't think that the term, the style, or the presence or absence of bolts next to protectable climbing (in general) have anything to do with you.

Of course, then again, perhaps you are the culprit.


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goldeneagle wrote:
Thoughts?


I don't think the practice will ever become common enough to require a "special name" for it.

There is already adequate terminology to describe it, as in the example of Brent Perkins send at NRG last year. The DPM article said something like "Proper Soul goes on gear at 5.14a R/X". Everybody understood what it meant. End of story.


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caughtinside wrote:
I think it's pretty silly. If you want to do something like that as a personal challenge, that's great. To try to make hay out of it as some sort of ethical or environmental statement? Stupid. The mags are just trying to generate a little buzz.




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New terms seem to be developed just to give folks a way to try and validate their accomplishments or what kind of group they are in...

So hard to teach climbers the lingo when its, "onsight, red point, pink point, flash, hang dog, TR ascent, brownpoint, greenpoint..." and then on top of that everyone has their own slightly different definition of what those all mean.

I think it's interesting watching the same thing in the world of food... vegetarian, vegan, pescatarian, and whatever else. Just helps people identify themselves and claim uniqueness.

I have 4 terms.
Onsight = No beta, not even from the book, never saw someone climb it, friends didn't cheer you on, just you and the rock...

Flash = Any beta, friends already on it, cheering, whatever...

Redpoint = You've been on it before...

Then my personal favorite:

The Nonsight = Everything else... When getting ready to toprope a route, "I hope I don't blow the nonsight!" Or, you are going for an onsight and fall, "well, bummer, at least I can finish the route and claim the nonsight."

So yeah, I thought of nonsight just to make everyone else at the crag smile.


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Ok, if for no other reason than to give people something to torch.....

I actually think its pretty valid.
Is it the same as the leap from nail ups to clean aid NO
Is it the same as freeing and aid line NO
But it is in line with doing a line in a new style.
I'm thinking shorty climbs that have been highballed
or ice lines that spawn an early season mixed line.

Does it deserve Hype NO
but it did take a pair to pass the bolts and trust a marginal placement instead so i say good on ya if you want to push your style boudaries.

Also I don't see Sonnie Trotter taking heat when he does the same thing but maybe that's cause he didn't try and put a name on what he was doing. He just said I'm doing it the way i want to do it.


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Its TRAD. Same terms should be used.


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6pacfershur wrote:
do you have to be stoned for the ascent to count?
im usually stoned on any accent... Hi Golden eagle!
But they shouldn't make a name for using trad gear on a sport route. thats just trad climbing, but the route might need to be rated differently


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HkBeast wrote:
6pacfershur wrote:
do you have to be stoned for the ascent to count?
im usually stoned on any accent...

As well as on any post?


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tH1e-swiN1e wrote:
Its TRAD. Same terms should be used.

Like I said earlier, most greenpoints are not traditional, unless they are done ground up, onsight, without having ever clipped the bolts on the route.

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