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eric_k


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I am looking to get pair of mono point crampons. I like the look of the Lynx because It is so modular. But the Dart is so light. My only hesitation with the dart is that there are no antibots. Do you guys have any experience with either of these?

Eric


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I've got both and pulled the bots off my Lynx in mono form.

Both are good. Easy to add factory bots to the back of the Darts. Like the weight on the Dart as well but more expensive to climb in when you need new front points.

Lynx is a much, much better all around crampon. That said I still use/will use the Dart a lot.


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Im my opinion if you are mostly climbing ice than anti bots are just extra weight. But if you are hiking much with them than the antibots are nice.


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I can't comment on the Lynx, but own the Darts and am pretty happy with them so far...which is ice climbing twice with them. Didn't have any problems and was kicking around for two full days - and I picked 'em up used!


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jeepnphreak wrote:
Im my opinion if you are mostly climbing ice than anti bots are just extra weight. But if you are hiking much with them than the antibots are nice.

Good point! I never thought of it that way. I've got one pair of Sabertooth that I use for mountaineering/alpine, and a pair of mono Cyborgs thT I use exclusively for ice, and ice approaches in necessary. Goodbye anitbots on the Cyborgs!


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FullertonImages wrote:
jeepnphreak wrote:
Im my opinion if you are mostly climbing ice than anti bots are just extra weight. But if you are hiking much with them than the antibots are nice.

Good point! I never thought of it that way. I've got one pair of Sabertooth that I use for mountaineering/alpine, and a pair of mono Cyborgs thT I use exclusively for ice, and ice approaches in necessary. Goodbye anitbots on the Cyborgs!
I disagree. On warmer days (25-35F) with plenty of wet snow, I find my un-antibotted M10s to ball up badly. This can be inconvenient/dangerous while not on ice, i.e. top outs, snow slogs between pitches, etc. I don't think the slight weight of the plastic bits on a pair of crampons is noticeable.


daneburns


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M-10s have the older cookie cutter frame design that is notorious for balling up badly (all of them).


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dr_feelgood wrote:
I don't think the slight weight of the plastic bits on a pair of crampons is noticeable.
Yeah, ditching the anti-bots aren't worth the negligible weight loss in my opinion.


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daneburns wrote:
M-10s have the older cookie cutter frame design that is notorious for balling up badly (all of them).
And the M-10 anti-bot system is an abject joke.


daneburns


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sungam wrote:
Yeah, ditching the anti-bots aren't worth the negligible weight loss in my opinion.


Best to actually measure them before making that decision I think. Black Diamond examples.

Black Diamond Stainless Sabertooth full bot 34.2oz / 969g
Black Diamond Stainless Sabertooth no bot with Petzl bail toe 28.4oz / 808g

Black Diamond Stainless Cyborg full bot 39.4oz / 1116g
Black Diamond Stainless Cyborg, mono, no bot, 28.6oz / 811g

more actual weights here:
http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2011/02/useful-metric-weight-comparisons.html


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