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pinktricam


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Komen, which is one of Planned Parenthood's largest benefactors has ceased funding for that organization because PP is under investigation and Komen is restricted to fund organizations under investigation.

What's the problem?

Planned Parenthood needs only to comply with the investigation, come clean of any unsavory misuse of funds if they exist or show that it is innocent of of the charges and implications that it is using or has misused funding.

Why the uproar?

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Komen has explained that the defunding decision was due to the foundation's recently enacted policy to not fund organizations that are under investigation by local, state or federal authorities. That would disqualify Planned Parenthood, which is the subject of a congressional inquiry begun in September by Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) to determine whether it has used federal money to fund abortions, which is forbidden by law.

So all that has to happen to put a hold on funding from Komen to any particular organisation is for one wingnut legislator, at federal, state or local level, to call for an inquiry? No matter how ill-founded? No waiting for the results of that inquiry?

Sounds to me like the Komen foundation has gotten too big for itself - that looking after the interests of the organisation has become more important than actually carrying out the organisation's mission. Sounds like a very good reason to bypass Komen entirely, and contribute directly to the organisations that are actually doing work on the ground. As an added bonus, that way less of your donation disappears into "overhead".


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Komen has explained that the defunding decision was due to the foundation's recently enacted policy to not fund organizations that are under investigation by local, state or federal authorities. That would disqualify Planned Parenthood, which is the subject of a congressional inquiry begun in September by Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) to determine whether it has used federal money to fund abortions, which is forbidden by law.

So all that has to happen to put a hold on funding from Komen to any particular organisation is for one wingnut legislator, at federal, state or local level, to call for an inquiry? No matter how ill-founded? No waiting for the results of that inquiry?

Correct.

Curt


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Komen has explained that the defunding decision was due to the foundation's recently enacted policy to not fund organizations that are under investigation by local, state or federal authorities. That would disqualify Planned Parenthood, which is the subject of a congressional inquiry begun in September by Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) to determine whether it has used federal money to fund abortions, which is forbidden by law.

So all that has to happen to put a hold on funding from Komen to any particular organisation is for one wingnut legislator, at federal, state or local level, to call for an inquiry? No matter how ill-founded? No waiting for the results of that inquiry?

Correct.

Curt

Damn. That's... convenient.


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curt wrote:
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Komen has explained that the defunding decision was due to the foundation's recently enacted policy to not fund organizations that are under investigation by local, state or federal authorities. That would disqualify Planned Parenthood, which is the subject of a congressional inquiry begun in September by Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) to determine whether it has used federal money to fund abortions, which is forbidden by law.

So all that has to happen to put a hold on funding from Komen to any particular organisation is for one wingnut legislator, at federal, state or local level, to call for an inquiry? No matter how ill-founded? No waiting for the results of that inquiry?

Correct.

Curt

Damn. That's... convenient.

iwonder if Rep. Cliff Stearns was aware of this? Seems like too much intelligence to credit the guy for, but...

I can play conspiracy theory, too!


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Komen, which is one of Planned Parenthood's largest benefactors has ceased funding for that organization because PP is under investigation and Komen is restricted to fund organizations under investigation.

What's the problem?

Planned Parenthood needs only to comply with the investigation, come clean of any unsavory misuse of funds if they exist or show that it is innocent of of the charges and implications that it is using or has misused funding.

Why the uproar?

Comments?

Inquisitions?

Well, looks like Komen blinked.
http://www.npr.org/...%3Fsc%3Dfb&cc=fp
Seems like a lot of folks think women's health is important.


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traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
Komen, which is one of Planned Parenthood's largest benefactors has ceased funding for that organization because PP is under investigation and Komen is restricted to fund organizations under investigation.

What's the problem?

Planned Parenthood needs only to comply with the investigation, come clean of any unsavory misuse of funds if they exist or show that it is innocent of of the charges and implications that it is using or has misused funding.

Why the uproar?

Comments?

Inquisitions?

Well, looks like Komen blinked.
http://www.npr.org/...%3Fsc%3Dfb&cc=fp
Seems like a lot of folks think women's health is important.

They no doubt noticed that Pinky agreed with their initial action--and therefore realized they were in the wrong.

Curt


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pinktricam wrote:
Komen, which is one of Planned Parenthood's largest benefactors has ceased funding for that organization because PP is under investigation and Komen is restricted to fund organizations under investigation.

What's the problem?

Planned Parenthood needs only to comply with the investigation, come clean of any unsavory misuse of funds if they exist or show that it is innocent of of the charges and implications that it is using or has misused funding.

Why the uproar?

Comments?

Inquisitions?

Bit of a moot point now, but my understanding is that PP is audited pretty much every year and they come squeaky clean each time. Honestly, I'm really trying to be impartial here—it's difficult for me to see how the investigation is anything but a witch hunt, and how Komen's decision to halt funding was anything other than a miscalculation on the part of one of its officers.


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Seems like a lot of folks think women's health is important.

Including the Komen Foundation itself. Let's not forget that organization's immensely positive impact on women's health.


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pinktricam wrote:
Komen, which is one of Planned Parenthood's largest benefactors has ceased funding for that organization because PP is under investigation and Komen is restricted to fund organizations under investigation.

What's the problem?


Seems they themselves have noted and corrected the problem... They have ammended their policy to not deny funding to organizations under investigation, but instead, one's where the investigation has been completed, and there was evidence of wrongdoing.

No problem any more... Seems reason prevailed, albeit, with a little bit of guidance.


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pinktricam wrote:
Komen, which is one of Planned Parenthood's largest benefactors has ceased funding for that organization because PP is under investigation and Komen is restricted to fund organizations under investigation.

What's the problem?


Seems they themselves have noted and corrected the problem... They have ammended their policy to not deny funding to organizations under investigation, but instead, one's where the investigation has been completed, and there was evidence of wrongdoing.

No problem any more... Seems reason prevailed, albeit, with a little bit of guidance.

So... PTC, care to weigh in on this?


pinktricam


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So... PTC, care to weigh in on this?

Let's just say that I may be able to sympathize with a substantial portion of the population a bit more than you may be able to...

Komen-Planned Parenthood showdown was a long time coming


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"You cannot be a life-affirming organization in league with an organization that kills people," [Eve Sanchez Silver] said.



No offense, I hope.


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pinktricam wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
So... PTC, care to weigh in on this?

Let's just say that I may be able to sympathize with a substantial portion of the population a bit more than you may be able to...

Komen-Planned Parenthood showdown was a long time coming


STLtoday.com wrote:
"You cannot be a life-affirming organization in league with an organization that kills people," [Eve Sanchez Silver] said.



No offense, I hope.

Once again, we'll all take this more seriously, and without a knowing smirk when you repudiate capital punishment.


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traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
So... PTC, care to weigh in on this?

Let's just say that I may be able to sympathize with a substantial portion of the population a bit more than you may be able to...

Komen-Planned Parenthood showdown was a long time coming


STLtoday.com wrote:
"You cannot be a life-affirming organization in league with an organization that kills people," [Eve Sanchez Silver] said.



No offense, I hope.

Once again, we'll all take this more seriously, and without a knowing smirk when you repudiate capital punishment.

Oh, snap.


pinktricam


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j_ung wrote:
traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
So... PTC, care to weigh in on this?

Let's just say that I may be able to sympathize with a substantial portion of the population a bit more than you may be able to...

Komen-Planned Parenthood showdown was a long time coming


STLtoday.com wrote:
"You cannot be a life-affirming organization in league with an organization that kills people," [Eve Sanchez Silver] said.



No offense, I hope.

Once again, we'll all take this more seriously, and without a knowing smirk when you repudiate capital punishment.

Oh, snap.

It's been some time that my opinion of the death penalty had made an about face.

As I suggested to doc in another thread, please try and keep up. It's less embarrassing that way, instead of trotting out your uninformed assumptions.


(This post was edited by pinktricam on Mar 1, 2012, 6:48 AM)


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pinktricam wrote:
j_ung wrote:
traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
So... PTC, care to weigh in on this?

Let's just say that I may be able to sympathize with a substantial portion of the population a bit more than you may be able to...

Komen-Planned Parenthood showdown was a long time coming


STLtoday.com wrote:
"You cannot be a life-affirming organization in league with an organization that kills people," [Eve Sanchez Silver] said.



No offense, I hope.

Once again, we'll all take this more seriously, and without a knowing smirk when you repudiate capital punishment.

Oh, snap.

It's been some time that my opinion of the death penalty had made an about face.

As I suggested to doc in another thread, please try and keep up. It's less embarrassing that way, instead of trotting out your uninformed assumptions.

Ah, apologies.

Well, then, we're still completely opposite on both issues. Pro choice here, and pro capital punishment. Though in both cases, I'm not across the board in favor of them.


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j_ung wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
j_ung wrote:
traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
So... PTC, care to weigh in on this?

Let's just say that I may be able to sympathize with a substantial portion of the population a bit more than you may be able to...

Komen-Planned Parenthood showdown was a long time coming


STLtoday.com wrote:
"You cannot be a life-affirming organization in league with an organization that kills people," [Eve Sanchez Silver] said.



No offense, I hope.

Once again, we'll all take this more seriously, and without a knowing smirk when you repudiate capital punishment.

Oh, snap.

It's been some time that my opinion of the death penalty had made an about face.

As I suggested to doc in another thread, please try and keep up. It's less embarrassing that way, instead of trotting out your uninformed assumptions.

Ah, apologies.

Well, then, we're still completely opposite on both issues. Pro choice here, and pro capital punishment. Though in both cases, I'm not across the board in favor of them.

Pro choice, anti capital punishment here. Can we get my antipodal to round out this four some, or is that the other thread?


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