Most new climbers percieve getting to the top being the only goal of climbing. Next on their mind is getting to the top on the hardest route possible. Also.. most new climbers percieve big chunky holds on a slab climb as nothing more than a silly warm up or something for kids/noobs (they sure as hell don't wanne be noobs, right?.. or worse still climb the kids routes).

Your avg new climber will not see past the fact that the above is complete fucking nonsence.

And, even if a climber in his shoes did see past all that then their is the self consious aspect. Most people around him will be swinging off roof climbs and so on like the morons usually do.. making things look ''cool'' and easy. Their will be kids flying up things he cant even get off the ground on.. etc etc. Again.. to a climber like us we know this means NOTHING.. and that he should ignore that bolix and continue at his own level making his own great gains. Can ou say for certain a new climber can jump all the above hurdles to have ''fun''?. Also, mny instructors don;'t have fking clue just how hrd it is for such a climber.. who lso m strugle with flexbility.

And this is not negitave. The things i say come first hand from climbers i have taught. It really is not easy for them to fully enjoy climbing itself. At lest not till they let go of the newb mentalitys.

You are projecting your own insecurities dude. Most new climbers have lots of fun just rainbowing a wall. The thrill of being that high up in the air is enough and they don't even understand grades. Most noobs I take outside have more fun on the 5.6 they finish than the 5.9 they flailed on

On the fun part it's more likely you who needs to stfu jay. Go put 40lb vest on.. lets factor in your ability.. go attempt some f6b's. Come tell me if you still think its fun.

Wow, who would have known how excited you'd get by my simple post. Remember, my post said "I speak from experience."

I was 40 lbs overweight, and a no dairy, no sugar (limited) diet of 2000 calories per day worked wonders for me, at 5'8 when I was 170. I am assuming the person we are speaking about is going to exercise, and walking is easy on the body.

My friend lost 55 pounds doing as I have shared here, no dairy, no sugar, walking 2 miles per day, but she was much shorter and she only ate about 1800 per day. It's kind of simple really. Read Dr. McDougal's book, or Dr. Mercola's website. In fact, there are many books and website written by doctors who will tell you the same thing. They will also tell you to avoid sugar, dairy and diet drinks.

Where do you think I got my information? Doctors of course!

Now assuming that our newbie climber wants to get fit and climb, this is a great way to start, rather than sending her off to an "easy" wall. She may find it is not within her abilities (DUH) and then decide climbing is too hard.

What do you do to help overweight people?

I'm curious because you have attacked me so strongly you seem to have a lot of emotion invested in this post.

I know a number of overweight climbers who seem to have a lot of fun climbing. I know several who lost a lot of weight and became quite good, and a couple more who didn't lose much and still became pretty good.

You're an asshole; and coming from me, that's serious.

Jay

I'm continually amazed at the absolute vehemence you have directed towards someone online you have never met (me). There's other posts here that say much more than mine yet you chose me to yell at online. Is it cos I'm a girl?

As an aside, I cannot imagine where you get all your nutritional information...

(look up green leafy vegetables calcium compared to milk)

...and your anger is just, wow! Impressive. Serious asshole. I get it.

But that's not why I'm replying to your post. I'm replying to say goodbye. It's time for me to fly to bluer skies, friendlier folks and happier climbs.

When you are wrong (and you have been) people do not jump you with a educational base ball bat. You provoke hostility to draw people into a bigger argument so you can further flex.

But you know this..

ceebo,

Save us your tripe and argue with Jay via PM.

Leading by example i see.

ceebo,

Save us your tripe and argue with Jay via PM.

Giving up dairy is silly. Not just a little silly, it's really silly. As Jay said especially (but not only) for women.

Okay, for one. how am i lying to myself? I know I am bigger or as you say "buried in blubber" and I am working out to lose the weight and eating healthier. Two why would you say anything or reply to this post if you were just going to be an ass...
Its people like you that make me want to climb just so i can prove that i can do it...

so why don't you go crawl back in the cave you came from and stay there...

I plan on it :] And i love the star wars reference ahaha. I am excited though! I should be going to this gym down the street from my house this weekend and I can't wait to get started!!

First of all, I'm not "yelling at you." Secondly, it has nothing to do with whether I've met you or not. And, third, it's not because you're a girl. I'm responding to your post simply because you are wrong—in part, dangerously wrong. It's nothing personal. Like you say, I don't even know you.


I got it initially in graduate school, and I continue to get it from reading peer review nutrition journals.


I'm aware that some green leafy vegetables are high in calcium. But you didn't recommend that the OP give up all dairy products and substitute two servings per day of kale, collard greens, turnip greens, mustard greens, etc. to make up for the calcium, did you? No. You just said to give up dairy products. And your reason for making that recommendation is that you claimed it would aid her weight loss. That's just nonsense, and the partial data we have on the subject suggests just the opposite. So you made a recommendation that would likely lead to insufficient calcium intake, and, if anything, hinder weight loss. All that, and I still managed to say that at least your intentions were good.


I'm not angry in the least. I'm simply saying that you're wrong. That, and you have a lot of fucking nerve telling someone whom you don't even know that they won't have fun climbing.


Well, as they say, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Jay

Does anyone think that climbing will cause you to lose weight though? I mean it might give you motivation because it's easier to climb when you're lighter, but I think the only real exercise I get while climbing happens on the approach. Maybe speed climbing raelly long routes could get you sweating buckets, but for the most part climbing, especially at the gym is like doing short bursts of work with lots of rest.

Climbing burns a lot of calories. You can easily burn a thousand calories in an intense gym session. I've personally tested this numerous times using a heartrate monitor (that tracks calorie burn), so I know it to be true.

1000 kcal? I doubt it. What exactly were you doing? At what grade? And for what duration?

Jay

Okay, some of your advice is fine. Keeping a food diary and taking excersize classes (wether they be yoga or something else) is fine.

Telling someone to eat 2000 calories is ridiculous, you have no idea what their reccomended intake is, you don't even know if they are male for female.

As for saying "cut out dairy and sugar." all I can do is facepalm. You have got to be kidding me. I really hope you don't mean they should avoid fruits. And what is wrong with dairy*?

nikilee93, if you want diet advice check out "Gold Medal Nutrition" by Glenn Cardwell. It is an excellent and well written book that will teach you about nutrition, because 3 sentences (even if they were well researched and clearly written) aren't going to give you all the answers you need/want.

JT512 also wrote a good short article on losing weight for climbing: http://jt512.dyndns.org/what_to_eat.pdf



*On second thought, please don't.

This was a year ago, but according to some notes that I was able to locate, I averaged around 500kC for an hour long bouldering session, during which I typically bouldered superset style, meaning that I minimized rest. The grades were all sub V2.

However, I logged some route climbing sessions in the range of 70-100 minutes, during which I believe I probably climbed around 200 or more vertical feet, alternating between stuff at my limit and easier stuff(between 5.6 and 5.9+). I weighed just under 200lbs at that point.

The heartrate monitor that I was using was calibrated in the sense that I compared its results for normal cardio activites (biking, running, swimming, jumping rope, etc) with data available in established tables for the activities, and it was always quite accurate.

So while, clearly, 1000kC is not going to be a common number for a climbing session, for a male weighing over 200lbs, a long and intense session (climbing until the forearms grip no more) is going to take you to the 1000kC range.

It would be interesting to see other people's results. If anyone else here has a heartrate monitor, spend 2 hours in the gym lapping easy climbs, mixed in with some hard climbs, while tracking your calories burned, and post the results!