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Comptonclimber
Apr 14, 2012, 1:50 AM
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I was just wandering how many pushups most climbers can do without stopping. Do pushups help climbing much
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granite_grrl
Apr 14, 2012, 1:36 PM
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Comptonclimber wrote: I was just wandering how many pushups most climbers can do without stopping. Do pushups help climbing much
Pushups aren't directly useful for climbing, but they can be really good for cross training and preventing injury.
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GeckoBat
Apr 14, 2012, 8:06 PM
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They're exercised more as a means of balancing your back and biceps. Working opposing muscle groups to aid in providing balance to your other muscles is beneficial. Functional training is the key.
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climbapps
Apr 15, 2012, 12:29 PM
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I disagree with the notion that pushups aren't helpful to climbers...doing "press" exercises like pushups, dips, tri press downs are extremely useful if you are tall and generally have no lockoff ability-exactly my case. If you are short or squatty, perhaps not so much.
That said, when I was on a guides course with Tom Hargis, a 68 year old school exum guide, he would crank out 2 sets of 25 pushups straight away in the morning.
Guy was a savage, climbing 5.11 like it was cake in Joshua Tree, very impressive.
I'd go into the whole Royal Robbins story about pushups, but have a mess of work to do; toss it up here if you know what I'm talking about....
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Comptonclimber
Apr 15, 2012, 8:08 PM
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Im 6'2'' and I try to do 200 pushups every other day and around 100 pullups the other days
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jackweeze
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There's a reason Dani Andrada seems hunched over a little like a gorilla--the pecs are not really that essential for climbing.
The other replys have some truth to them though--it's good to balance your body out a little even though you use your back way more than your chest. There will also be some situations where you do need to push yourself up, and pushups can help with that.
Personally, I bench press just because I like to be strong all around, I like the look it gives me, and it is not goign to affect me much carrying around 5-10 extra pounds of muscle.
I recommend pushups in addition to your other training. But you don't need to be able to do a zillion. They are a great endurance exercise though, so the more you can do, the better really. They won't help a ton, but they definitely won't hurt.
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jackweeze
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also, the age-old body-weight exercises are just great in general, and particularly for climbing. I'm talking about pull-ups, chin-ups, crunches, planks, and push-ups. If you only did those in addition to climbing a lot, you'd probably be pretty good fitness-wise.
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shockabuku
Apr 15, 2012, 10:38 PM
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No idea.
No, but they're probably good for your posture and your shirtless appearance (male or female) if nothing else.
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rgold
Apr 16, 2012, 12:32 AM
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I'd say pushups are nearly worthless for climbing, ok for muscle balancing and injury prevention.
For balancing and injury prevention, I think that exercises that are as close as possible to the reverse of climbing pulling motions are best. This means seated dumbell presses, ideally in three inclined positions from nearly upright to nearly prone.
if climbers want exercises that translate to functional climbing strength, they should work on muscle-ups on a bar.
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jt512
Apr 16, 2012, 1:33 AM
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jackweeze wrote: There's a reason Dani Andrada seems hunched over a little like a gorilla--the pecs are not really that essential for climbing.
There's a reason, but it's the opposite of what you said. It's due to relative overdevelopment of the pectoralis minor.
Jay
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hyongx
Apr 16, 2012, 3:01 AM
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Comptonclimber wrote: I was just wandering how many pushups most climbers can do without stopping. Do pushups help climbing much
I can probably do around thirty. I think that's actually about average for fit 20-30 males. Though I am climbing about twice a week now.
I don't think pushups directly help climbing, but they might help equalize, balance, the pulling muscles used by climbing.
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patto
Apr 16, 2012, 9:12 AM
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Push ups are good for your core muscles and core strength. At least that is what I find. But I'm particularly weak in my core strength so maybe it benefits me more than others. Certainly triceps and pecs strength is not particularly useful in climbing.
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ceebo
Apr 16, 2012, 11:25 AM
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I was very close to pulling a chest muscle while climbing becuase it was exposed to a weight that was over standard press up loads. I can't say for sure the muscle was at less risk from press ups to begin with. On the chance it was, i now also do a few 1 arm push ups just in case. Needless to say it was the kind of move that is very very few and far between.
I guess for people who climb alot with steming, they would perhaps be exposed a great deal more to the kind of moves where press ups may actualy help. Apart from that, for me i do them for the sole purpose of not getting injured on freaky one off moves.
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shockabuku
Apr 16, 2012, 2:16 PM
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hyongx wrote: Comptonclimber wrote: I was just wandering how many pushups most climbers can do without stopping. Do pushups help climbing much I can probably do around thirty. I think that's actually about average for fit 20-30 males. Though I am climbing about twice a week now. I don't think pushups directly help climbing, but they might help equalize, balance, the pulling muscles used by climbing.
Wow, I just read this (http://www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man) about the average American man.
Stunning.
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saint_john
Apr 16, 2012, 3:56 PM
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shockabuku wrote: hyongx wrote: Comptonclimber wrote: I was just wandering how many pushups most climbers can do without stopping. Do pushups help climbing much I can probably do around thirty. I think that's actually about average for fit 20-30 males. Though I am climbing about twice a week now. I don't think pushups directly help climbing, but they might help equalize, balance, the pulling muscles used by climbing. Wow, I just read this ( http://www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man) about the average American man. Stunning.
I call BS on that link.
I doubt if the averaqe American man can run a mile in 8:34 or do 27 "good" pushups in 1 minute.
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Dip
Apr 16, 2012, 4:40 PM
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saint_john wrote: shockabuku wrote: hyongx wrote: Comptonclimber wrote: I was just wandering how many pushups most climbers can do without stopping. Do pushups help climbing much I can probably do around thirty. I think that's actually about average for fit 20-30 males. Though I am climbing about twice a week now. I don't think pushups directly help climbing, but they might help equalize, balance, the pulling muscles used by climbing. Wow, I just read this ( http://www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man) about the average American man. Stunning. I call BS on that link. I doubt if the averaqe American man can run a mile in 8:34 or do 27 "good" pushups in 1 minute.
Right? Aren't we approaching a point where the "average" american anything is overweight/obese? I'm fairly certain if i took a survey of every dude in my building at work, 8:34 and 27 would not be the averages.
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shockabuku
Apr 16, 2012, 8:50 PM
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Dip wrote: saint_john wrote: shockabuku wrote: hyongx wrote: Comptonclimber wrote: I was just wandering how many pushups most climbers can do without stopping. Do pushups help climbing much I can probably do around thirty. I think that's actually about average for fit 20-30 males. Though I am climbing about twice a week now. I don't think pushups directly help climbing, but they might help equalize, balance, the pulling muscles used by climbing. Wow, I just read this ( http://www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man) about the average American man. Stunning. I call BS on that link. I doubt if the averaqe American man can run a mile in 8:34 or do 27 "good" pushups in 1 minute. Right? Aren't we approaching a point where the "average" american anything is overweight/obese? I'm fairly certain if i took a survey of every dude in my building at work, 8:34 and 27 would not be the averages.
Sure, but likely your building doesn't represent the average American male very well either.
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6pacfershur
Apr 16, 2012, 10:20 PM
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hyongx wrote: ....I don't think pushups directly help climbing....
pushups are beneficial if you plan to climb offwidths or chimneys....
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guangzhou
Apr 17, 2012, 3:33 AM
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The Army uses push ups in it's physical fitness test. To pass in the 18 year age catagory, you have to do a minimum of 42 push-ups in 2 minutes. To max the test, if I remember correctly, it was 72 in two minutes. (Proper push-ups)
I'm 40 and rarely do push ups anymore. They hurt my wrist, but I can still do 40+ push-up in one go. I keep trying to convince myself to do them on a regular basis, or some kind of bench press exercise. (incline not incline) not I have a hard time getting motivated to exercise just for the sake of exercise.
I climb, run, occasionally swim laps when I have pool access. Walk to work a few times a week.
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Dip
Apr 17, 2012, 4:22 PM
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shockabuku wrote: Dip wrote: saint_john wrote: shockabuku wrote: hyongx wrote: Comptonclimber wrote: I was just wandering how many pushups most climbers can do without stopping. Do pushups help climbing much I can probably do around thirty. I think that's actually about average for fit 20-30 males. Though I am climbing about twice a week now. I don't think pushups directly help climbing, but they might help equalize, balance, the pulling muscles used by climbing. Wow, I just read this ( http://www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man) about the average American man. Stunning. I call BS on that link. I doubt if the averaqe American man can run a mile in 8:34 or do 27 "good" pushups in 1 minute. Right? Aren't we approaching a point where the "average" american anything is overweight/obese? I'm fairly certain if i took a survey of every dude in my building at work, 8:34 and 27 would not be the averages. Sure, but likely your building doesn't represent the average American male very well either.
I don't know... it's certainly all walks of life, minus those who do physical labor for a living. Granted throwing people in whose job requires they be active would bring the numbers closer to those suggested above, but i still think those numbers are giving people too much credit. I could of course be completely out of line, as i'm basically talking out my ass since i have no statistics or research of my own to offer.
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