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I have found some great mom partners. Not only do I get to climb, but I get all sorts of advise about mothering stuff. And they actually want to keep the day short.

I still climb with some of my best climbing partners, but finding new mom-partners will make it more realistic for me to climb.

It is really nice to find climbing partners who actually want to organize a family climbing day. Yay!

Clee...can I ask where you found the mom partners you climbed with? I'm looking for Moms/families to climb with and don't know where to start.


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I joined a meetup for outdoorsy moms. But it seems that they are pretty busy and I have not found regular mom climbing partners still.

One of my regular partners is about to have a baby, and I can't wait.

I've got a list of emails of climbing parents from asking around rc.com and local climbing site. But once again, no regular partners.

It has not been easy. On one meetup, there was a scary lady which made me wonder if looking for random partners was such a good idea. Oh well. I hope you have better luck than me.


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I joined a meetup for outdoorsy moms. But it seems that they are pretty busy and I have not found regular mom climbing partners still.

One of my regular partners is about to have a baby, and I can't wait.

I've got a list of emails of climbing parents from asking around rc.com and local climbing site. But once again, no regular partners.

It has not been easy. On one meetup, there was a scary lady which made me wonder if looking for random partners was such a good idea. Oh well. I hope you have better luck than me.

That's why I'm not exactly eager to meet up with someone from the internet. I think I'll just keep heading to the gym and hoping I meet someone there...


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Some of my best partners are ones I met online. It is pretty safe when I talk to them first and get a good sense of their experience and meet in a group and observe before letting them belay me. The unfortunate situation about meetup is that there is no way to control who signs up or comes. And really no way to say, scary lady, you can't come.


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Some of my best partners are ones I met online. It is pretty safe when I talk to them first and get a good sense of their experience and meet in a group and observe before letting them belay me. The unfortunate situation about meetup is that there is no way to control who signs up or comes. And really no way to say, scary lady, you can't come.

LOL. Someone should tell those scary ladies to stay home :P I've only had 2 very memorable scary lady encounters involving climbing and being outside.
1. SUPER creep lady at the climbing gym with hair down to ankles, no teeth and meth voice video-ing my daughter climbing, and making some kind of creepy narration while doing it. As soon as I caught onto it, I gave her the bitch face of death and made sure my large bum was directly blocking her attempts to vid. my precious angel.
2. Backpacking the appalachian trail with my good friend...we ran into a backwoods family hiking the trail. The mother started bragging about her knife collection...and started pulling them out and showing them to us. She literally had them stowed all over her whole person...big ones too with much serration (is that a word?). Then *joking* about how she would use them on her son if she had to. Nobody laughed. Unimpressed

Anyway, I seem to have found SOME luck. Met one really nice lady at the gym with a 3 year old the other night. She was super cool. My only problem is that it seems like most of the moms at my gym don't really climb...they just bring their kids to climb. Oh, well, it will all work out like its supposed to with climbing partners...eventually, hopefully.


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OMG when I said crazy I meant poor judgement like carrying your toddler in a pack up multipitch and taking a ledge fall because she saw a spider. Your crazy is really crazy. Scary crazy. *shudder*

On another note, I went climbing outside for the first time since baby #2. I didn't lead (not much I feel comfortable leading where we were), but I am sore from climbing. Yay!

I pumped. Some guy kept insisting that there was some crazy frog around, and I didn't correct him. Just smiled and kept pumping. Ah, the joys of climbing motherhood.


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OMG when I said crazy I meant poor judgement like carrying your toddler in a pack up multipitch and taking a ledge fall because she saw a spider. Your crazy is really crazy. Scary crazy. *shudder*

On another note, I went climbing outside for the first time since baby #2. I didn't lead (not much I feel comfortable leading where we were), but I am sore from climbing. Yay!

I pumped. Some guy kept insisting that there was some crazy frog around, and I didn't correct him. Just smiled and kept pumping. Ah, the joys of climbing motherhood.

That is still pretty crazy...but sadly, I've seen it done myself. I don't know why people think that is okay. To me those backpacks are for hiking with your baby/toddler...not climbing.

LOL. Oh, if he only knew the truth of the crazy frog. :P Did you take your kids with you? I'm so afraid to take my little girl with us to the major climbing in our area (New River Gorge and Red River Gorge) because of copperheads. I'm afraid I'd be too busy protecting her from snakes to focus on belaying and climbing :-|


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I used to live in Ohio and have climbed at RRG and NRG and I really think they are pretty ideal for climbing with kids. I can understand that you may be worried about things like copperheads, but that is nature. She is more likely to get hurt in the car on the way to the craig than get bitten by a copper head. I would also have another person with you so that someone can be watching her the whole time. If you and your husband take turns watching your daughter, your climbing partner should not lose any time climbing.

That being said, I could not take my older son climbing for his entire first year of life due to fear of rock/gear fall. I don't think our fears as parents are rational sometimes.

Sounds like you are having some trouble finding partners who would climb with a child. But hang in there. I feel like partners are there to be found. You just have to keep trying. And get strong as possible. I notice that harder you climb, easier it is to find partners.


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So, I sold my pregnant climbing harness. I've been getting rid of baby things, but more than anything, it feels final now that I am getting rid of the harness. Nope, guess ain't gonna have another baby.

Went out about 3 times this season, but lately, I've not been climbing. Seems like that is the pattern for me. Not much climbing the first season after baby. I can't wait until baby is a year old next season. I think we will all have lots of fun together as a family. One of my climbing buddies is at Squamish this week with her 2 month old. Why I am not badass like these women, I don't know.


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Maybe out there it's different, but until my son was a year old, I wasn't into dragging him anywhere... except maybe church.

I just can't handle that kind of stress.


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So, I sold my pregnant climbing harness. I've been getting rid of baby things, but more than anything, it feels final now that I am getting rid of the harness. Nope, guess ain't gonna have another baby.


Bitter-sweet and relieved at the same time, at least that is how I felt when I realized that I had nothing for under-1yo set in my house...

And then other milestones come: Nothing for pre-school set... No baby or toddler-proofing, no need to spot a child going up or down stairs... Out of the butt-wiping business... and so on. :)

The bitter-sweet feeling really hit me again last year, when I realized that I can now erase the elementary-school office phone number from my phone...

clee03m wrote:
Went out about 3 times this season, but lately, I've not been climbing. Seems like that is the pattern for me. Not much climbing the first season after baby. I can't wait until baby is a year old next season. I think we will all have lots of fun together as a family. One of my climbing buddies is at Squamish this week with her 2 month old. Why I am not badass like these women, I don't know.


If it were not the baby that came out of my own body (e.i. if I were taking an adopted child to the crag), I would much rather take a 2 months old with me, instead of a 14 months old. (Though at this stage in my life I personally would rather not take either 2 months old, or 14 months old with me. thanks!)

But with my own babies, I just didn't feel up to the challenge of going camping with them when they were really little.


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If it were not the baby that came out of my own body (e.i. if I were taking an adopted child to the crag),
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I am sure you didn't intend to say something that would probably offend an adoptive parent, simply because it is not the perspective you have. But I can imagine someone who is a step-parent or adopting parent reading that phrase and being upset about it, as if it were supposing their parental bond was somehow less because they are not the birth parent.

I've never had children, and at fifty, even the idea of step-mom or adopting mom seems improbable, but I can honestly say that even imagining myself with an adopted child, I would have been offended to read that. The adopting parents that I know very much cherish their child or children.


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If it were not the baby that came out of my own body (e.i. if I were taking an adopted child to the crag),
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I am sure you didn't intend to say something that would probably offend an adoptive parent, simply because it is not the perspective you have. But I can imagine someone who is a step-parent or adopting parent reading that phrase and being upset about it, as if it were supposing their parental bond was somehow less because they are not the birth parent.

I've never had children, and at fifty, even the idea of step-mom or adopting mom seems improbable, but I can honestly say that even imagining myself with an adopted child, I would have been offended to read that. The adopting parents that I know very much cherish their child or children.

Sorry if it offended you. It was definitely not my intent.

I was simply referring to the fact that if you had just given birth 2 months ago, you are likely still dealing with simple physical recovery from childbirth, so on top of the logistics of taking the baby to the crag, you also have to deal with some possibly-painful, or possibly-just-tiring after-effects of childbirth.

If you are simply taking a baby to the crag and you yourself are is good health then it is hands-down easier to take a 2-months-old child anywhere compared to a 14 months old.

But [2 months old + difficult labor] as a combo might be way harder than [14 months old + fully-recovered].


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Thanks for the clarification - I see what you meant now(definitely missed the intent on initial reading!).


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So what are the logistics for climbing with two going to be? The general advice for one seems to be you need a third adult so one parent can always watch the kid. The third adult still gets a full climbing day, the parents each get half a climbing day.
But once you have two, especially once they can move, I can barely watch two of them in the relative safety of my own home, let alone outside.
Not that I even managed to climb outside with one, so I don't think there is any chance we'll manage with two, but I wondered what your plans are. I think however you mostly don't climb with your husband, whereas mine is my exclusive climbing partner. But would you now want one adult per kid to watch them outside. Do you trust hubby to watch two at home if you go away for a day? Is he willing to be stuck at home all day with them? And do you mind going away given you work?
Just wondering what people manage to do. I thinks it's only hypothetical question, we pretty much accept we are not climbing now. Our level was pretty low even when we went regularly, so once you stop you quickly fall below where you feel you can lead outside without getting back into it in the gym.
Good luck


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I think however you mostly don't climb with your husband, whereas mine is my exclusive climbing partner.

I would not go climbing with kids without my husband. Never did with the first, certainly wouldn't try now. It actually works out better that my husband isn't much of a climber in one sense. He doesn't want to climb all day. So a lot of child care falls on him. I've decided to meet up with my partner for a weekend. She is also married to a non-climber who will be there. So there will be 4 adults, 1 toddler, and 2 babies there. Our other non-mother partners may also join us. Don't know for sure if it will work out. Our first time with 2 kids too.

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Do you trust hubby to watch two at home if you go away for a day? Is he willing to be stuck at home all day with them?

Yes. Both for work and for climbing. Or girls' night out or whatever. And yes.

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And do you mind going away given you work?

Starting to not. Got about 4 days of climbing in before I started feel my time from maternity leave and one day off work a week magic wore off. Now, I am at a place where I am feeling like I need more time with kids.

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Just wondering what people manage to do. I thinks it's only hypothetical, question, we pretty much accept we are not climbing now. Our level was pretty low even when we went regularly, so once you stop you quickly fall below where you feel you can lead outside without getting back into it in the gym.
Good luck

Thanks. I think there are a spectrum of how much mothers climb. Some climb a lot to the point they can do it professionally. Some don't for a while. Most fall somewhere in-between. I never took my first one out before he was a year old. Don't worry. Before you know it, you will be climbing again.


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Squamish was awesome. At one point we had 8 adults, 3 babies, 1 toddler, and a dog. Then a group of 4 climbers joined us. Weather was perfect, and a lot of really fun granite climbing.

Then weeks passed, and yesterday I woke up feeling like if I don't climb something I would explode. Only partners I could find was through my meetup group except I would be arriving 3-4 hours late without knowing their faces or exactly where they would be climbing. We decided to chance it, and when we got there, no sign of them. Then I got this great idea that if I could get someone to put up my rope, my husband would be able to belay me. So a really nice guy puts up my rope. Now I am nervous because I can't really see the anchors. He assures me that gates are opposite and opposed, and my husband and I get ready for me to climb. Toddler is leashed to the end of the rope. Baby is strapped to my husband's chest and starts to fuss. My husband is standing back to make sure the rope doesn't touch the baby's face, but every time he takes the rope in, he has to lean forward making the baby even angrier. In short, a really dumb idea, dumb enough to win the Darwinism award. So I have to convince my husband that letting a stranger belay me would be better than continuing with the circus. One of the guys belays me so I can clean my gear.

All in all, a really bad idea. Toddler had a lot of fun climbing the bottom of the climb, picking flowers, and digging in the ground, though.

Tyler and friends, thanks so much. You were life savers, and none of you even seem to pass judgment on our circus.


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It's been a while since I've posted up and I thought I'd give you ladies a quick update! My baby girl is now 8 months old (WOW!) and become more and more mobile each day. She's getting into everything! It's awesome. Smile

We took Riley out with us when she was only a week old. No, I didn't climb. My husband bouldered and I basically walked around the boulder field terrified Riley would get too cold (it was December!). Of course, she was totally fine. I even managed to nurse while in the boulder field! We were SOOOO stressed to take her out back then.

Now... 8 months later, it's just part of climbing life. RIley is a part of our life, as is climbing, so it all goes hand in hand. Craig my husband build a crib in the back of our truck that we sleep in when we camp (totally cool design) and where we go, she goes. We don't get in as many pitches as we used to, but it's still working out. And since I am back to work full time, I LOVE the weekends because I get to carry my baby girl up to the crag and snuggle and play all day long. I feel like she's getting to see and do things most kids will never do! She is going with us to the New this weekend - first trip to the gorge!

Of course, we have had our logistical issues. But we work around them. It helps that both my husband and I are committed to making our outdoor-climbing family work.

If any of you climbing mama's want to share ideas and thoughts, a few of us east-coasters created a facebook page for climbing moms. Feel free to look me up. It's a private group, so you have to be invited.


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Congratulations and sounds like things are going well for you.
I didn't quite follow what you do with your daughter when you climb, sounds like you take her to the crag with you and your husband- but are you actually climbing as well? Do you have anyone else with you, or she just stays in a stroller if you are climbing or belaying.


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Congratulations and sounds like things are going well for you.
I didn't quite follow what you do with your daughter when you climb, sounds like you take her to the crag with you and your husband- but are you actually climbing as well? Do you have anyone else with you, or she just stays in a stroller if you are climbing or belaying.

We climb at fairly popular crags (Obed, Red) so there are folks around. In the past, my husband and I were each others primary climbing partner. This has definitely evolved. And what we do with Riley has evolved too, as she grows and changes. When she was super little, we could hike her in to the crag, and climb together because she slept alot. We would have her in her little nest (tent, blankets, carseat, whatever) and we could climb together while she napped. Now that she is semi-mobile, and naps much less, things have changed. If we have other friends around, then one of us is always with Riley, looking at rocks, trees, whatever, and the other one climbs with friends, then we swap. We are also lucky enough that several friends love to watch Riley and they will take her for a little bit while Craig and I climb together.

We did buy this cool thing called a Go-Pod. It's like a portable exersaucer. It folds up like a camp chair and you can attach toys to it. We figured she liked it enough that if its ever just the two of us, we could put her in it long enough to do a pitch together. Not ideal, but I think it'll work if no one else is around.

Of course, Riley changes each and every day, so every weekend is kind of new and has its own challenges and successes! I remember one cold day this spring at the Red trying to nurse her and it was just the three of us, then it started raining... we were like... what are we doing?!?!? And we left. Crazy But for the most part, we are making it happen and I think she will be a child that will love and respect the outdoors (which is a huge part of all this afterall!).


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Seems I am full of bad trip reports lately. We go to Leavenworth. The first place we go, the Alphabet Rock is fine for kids. But we run out of climbs soon enough, and my climbing partner wants to find some shade. Trubdle Dome? 15 min easy hike with wide areas for kids to play? Great. So we head off. First mistake was husband deciding it would be better to hand carry the baby. He has bad eczema and sometimes he rubs his face with Ergo. Not. A. Good. Idea. Then when we get there it becomes clear that there is no place for kids at the bottom. Toddler is getting upset because he pretty much has to stay in one spot. Then my partner wants to go up further through Leavenworth buttslide. Usually that is fine, but not with a toddler and a baby. I have to put my foot down, and we descend very slowly. I was so stressed. Eventually we put the baby in the pack even though he is too small for it, and half carried, half walked my toddler until we came to a reasonable spot. I felt horrible to put my kids at risk like that.

Lesson we learned. Never carry the baby by hand. Research the area before taking kids. If trail seems suspect, put the breaks on earlier than later.

Well, I am planning a Squamish trip next. I need Smoke Bluffs' baby friendliness after this weekend's trauma.


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Congratulations and sounds like things are going well for you.
I didn't quite follow what you do with your daughter when you climb, sounds like you take her to the crag with you and your husband- but are you actually climbing as well? Do you have anyone else with you, or she just stays in a stroller if you are climbing or belaying.

We climb at fairly popular crags (Obed, Red) so there are folks around. In the past, my husband and I were each others primary climbing partner. This has definitely evolved. And what we do with Riley has evolved too, as she grows and changes. When she was super little, we could hike her in to the crag, and climb together because she slept alot. We would have her in her little nest (tent, blankets, carseat, whatever) and we could climb together while she napped. Now that she is semi-mobile, and naps much less, things have changed. If we have other friends around, then one of us is always with Riley, looking at rocks, trees, whatever, and the other one climbs with friends, then we swap. We are also lucky enough that several friends love to watch Riley and they will take her for a little bit while Craig and I climb together.

We did buy this cool thing called a Go-Pod. It's like a portable exersaucer. It folds up like a camp chair and you can attach toys to it. We figured she liked it enough that if its ever just the two of us, we could put her in it long enough to do a pitch together. Not ideal, but I think it'll work if no one else is around.

Of course, Riley changes each and every day, so every weekend is kind of new and has its own challenges and successes! I remember one cold day this spring at the Red trying to nurse her and it was just the three of us, then it started raining... we were like... what are we doing?!?!? And we left. Crazy But for the most part, we are making it happen and I think she will be a child that will love and respect the outdoors (which is a huge part of all this afterall!).

It was great running into you this weekend. R. is super-cute!

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