I have to say, he's making some interestingly bold moves. Making climate change a platform, coming out in support of gay marriage... quite encouraging, really. I really, really hope it pays off for him.

The Republican-led House approved a plan for deep spending cuts in food stamps, Meals on Wheels and other domestic programs — while sparing the Pentagon — in a vote that showcased the party's election-year priorities.

Evidence:http://money.cnn.com/...x.htm?source=cnn_bin

Or go lookup the S&P index, it is up more than 50% over the past three years.

Anyone want to put money against it?

Right on Gecko, I was going to say that the gas prices Navy is complaining about are cheaper than prices here in Duluth MN!

Just be thanful that your fuel is still amongst the cheapest in the world.

Right on Gecko, I was going to say that the gas prices Navy is complaining about are cheaper than prices here in Duluth MN!

Gas prices are going down? Hua, apparently my community dident get the memo. A few weeks ago diesel fuel was $5.50 a gallon on the Big Island of Hawaii. Right now the cheapest gas station in the entire state of Hawaii is charging $4.30 a gal for unleaded. The whole fuel crisis thing is so fucked. Until the government sacks up and holds those creating this mess accountable, fuel will remain permanently excessively expensive. And really this whole "fuel is worth its weight in gold" issue is not helping the environment. People are starting to take shortcuts to get a few extra MPG; like removing their diesel particle filter, removing their cat, using alternative fuels that dont burn for crap, and a number of other things that severely increase the emissions produced by the vehicle.

Second, the higher gas prices will mean that the other research on other sources of energies will be taken more seriously by Americans.

Ugh, fuel in Hawaii is 24 times more expensive than fuel in Venezuela. I wouldent exactly call that "amongst the cheapest in the world." Anyway, the fuel prices of other nations is irrelevant. Less expensive and inexpensive do not have equivalent meanings. Just because fuel in the EU is $10, it does not mean that fuel in the USA is a good deal, rather it is very far from it. Anyway, fuel in the EU is not that much more expensive than it is in the USA, rather it is the government taxes that give you the shaft at the pump.

Higher gas prices, Americans have been wasting fuel for decades, it's about time. Hitting the American pocketbook is a great way to wake up Americans for sure.

There are so many failures of logic in there that it's difficult to know where to begin a reply. For now, I'll just post this--which indicates gas prices in the US are 22nd lowest out of roughly 140 countries.

http://www.mytravelcost.com/petrol-prices/

That puts US gasoline prices in the lowest 20% with respect to worldwide pricing.

Curt

Evidence:http://money.cnn.com/...x.htm?source=cnn_bin

Or go lookup the S&P index, it is up more than 50% over the past three years.

Anyone want to put money against it?

"...a large portion of voters are kneejerking simpletons easily distracted by shiny things and yelling..." ~Andy Gram (atg200)

Like I said, cheaper and cheap do not have the same meaning.

You can go off on as many lists and sources as you want about how the fuel in the USA is so much less expensive than the fuel everywhere else, but that does not change the underlying fact - fuel in the USA is a rip off. I only need one reference to prove this: Exxon's 2011 yearly profits and losses report.

Spoken like a true CEO Curt when replying about Exxon Revenues.( I am not differentiating between profits and revenues because there is usually a strong correlation in my opinion.)

Yea, well do you know what else the increase in fuel cost has done? For one, it has made Exxon more money than the continent of Australia currently has. But more importantly, the increase in the cost of fuel can, and has, directly or indirectly influenced the increase in sale price for every product manufactured today. Any product that needs to be shipped (which is everything on the face of this planet) will suffer a price increase because the manufacturer now has to pay more money to get the raw materials needed to make the product, and the manufacturer has to pay more to get it to you.

So yea, the increase in fuel price is good for the trees, but bad for every working American in the USA.

Less than 3 percent of ExxonMobil’s earnings are from U.S. gasoline sales

Not sure, but if I remember the news correctly this morning, Exon profit are down 10 or 11%.

I didn't say fuel price going up is good for the trees, I said it will encourage research and development in alternative fuels. If ithelps trees, i think it's a bonus. I see nothing wrong with preserving our forest, rivers, lakes, and oceans. Do you?

If you think fuel prices only influence transportation cost, you are the one who is naive. First, a lot of what Americans pay at the pump comes from various state and federal taxes.

Second, gasoline prices are influenced by oil prices. Oil is used in a lot more than gasoline. Actually, about 90% of what climbers take to the crag in the form of gear is based, in part, in oil. Oil is the roads we drive on to reach the cliff, the fuel we burn getting there, the tires we wear-out driving, the nylon we use in ropes, cloths, sling and tents.

The material we wear, the lube that keeps machinery running, the list is quite long.

I know for a fact that America has among the cheapest gasoline in the world. (like someone said, among the lowest 20%) I know this because I've visited other countries. When I visit those countries, I see a direct correlation between the size of vehicles driven by the average person and the price of gas.

As usual Navy, you have a very limited view of the way things are. If you want cheap Venezuela gas prices, go live there. No-one is forcing you to live in the Hawaii.

Don't like gas prices, boycott them and get a bike or run your vehicle on another source of fuel.

No businesses can stay in business charging more than what people are willing to pay. This includes gas companies.

Well let me explain my view. I do not base a product's value on how much it costs relative to other products of similar nature, as you keep referencing. I base its value on what function it preforms relative to its cost.

the gas industry in America is a monopoly.

If they raise the price to $20 a gallon,

people will still pay for it because they have to. How else are they going to get to work 40 miles away? Look at the EU. They charge $12 a gallon, yet people pay it because they have no choice

Watch this movie, it does all the speaking for me:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1333998/

I think just simply getting angry as gas prices aren't going to get us anywhere. As stated before prices in the US are amoung cheapest in the world, you can only ride that wave for so long.

I think it might be getting a bit better in the states but I remember buying out last car a few years ago. Prices in Canada were pretty high and were just going to keep climbing (and they have) so we bought a little Honda Fit. Driving around in a subcompact we started noticing how many of them were on the road. We then took the car to Minnesota for Xmas, there were significantly less small cars on the road.

Now gas still isn't as high as it is in many countries, but filling up my car today I'd be paying $4.90/gal. Still lots of people driving their trucks and SUVs around here too, but I think that because of higher gas prices Canada has headed towards smaller cars than people in the USA have.




Now to the more important point:

I think the thing we should be most angry about in North America is how the US government keeps pushing bullshit like Ethonal additives to gas, instead of pushing for diesel and biodisel engines. VW is the only company that offers a diesel option for cars in Canada and the United states and a new one is beyond what I can afford for a vehicle right now.