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His guns are his kids. Wink



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His guns are his kids. Wink

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Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?


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Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...



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pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...

There is a statistic on this page: http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/b_spray.html that basically states that 40% of people involved in a bear attack that defend themselves with firearms end up going to the hospital with serious injuries. However, people who properly employ bear spray often walk away unscathed.
Over here, bear spray is $35 a can versus several hundred for a compensator and enough ammo to regularly hit a charging bear. As an added bonus, the bear generally survives the bear spray, albeit a bit angrily.


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pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...
[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558713_263883730372804_653164804_n.jpg[/image]

shotguns, large calibre pistols and rifles are allowed, but I dont think automatics. would be for a hike, so lighter is better...


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dr_feelgood wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...
[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558713_263883730372804_653164804_n.jpg[/image]

There is a statistic on this page: http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/b_spray.html that basically states that 40% of people involved in a bear attack that defend themselves with firearms end up going to the hospital with serious injuries. However, people who properly employ bear spray often walk away unscathed.
Over here, bear spray is $35 a can versus several hundred for a compensator and enough ammo to regularly hit a charging bear. As an added bonus, the bear generally survives the bear spray, albeit a bit angrily.

Note that my question was not about black or grizzly bears, but ICE bears.

In spitzbergen, you are not given a permit for a hike unless you are armed (rifle min .308, if Handgun 454 Casull, but they prefer you take a rifle or shotgun), and have proof that you know how to use the weapon (and have the paperwork, of course).

oh, and btw:
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The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
Visitors should also carry a bear pepper spray just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear's sensitive nose and it will run away.
It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.


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dr_feelgood wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...

There is a statistic on this page: http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/b_spray.html that basically states that 40% of people involved in a bear attack that defend themselves with firearms end up going to the hospital with serious injuries. However, people who properly employ bear spray often walk away unscathed.
Over here, bear spray is $35 a can versus several hundred for compensator and enough ammo to regularly hit a charging bear. As an added bonus, the bear generally survives the bear spray, albeit a bit angrily.

This is the Gun Porn Thread, not the Seasoning Porn Thread. Please try and keep up.


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iknowfear wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...
[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558713_263883730372804_653164804_n.jpg[/image]

shotguns, large calibre pistols and rifles are allowed, but I dont think automatics. would be for a hike, so lighter is better...

Bear spray without a doubt.


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chadnsc wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...
[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558713_263883730372804_653164804_n.jpg[/image]

shotguns, large calibre pistols and rifles are allowed, but I dont think automatics. would be for a hike, so lighter is better...

Bear spray without a doubt.

let me repeat myself. they do _NOT_ give you a hiking permit, unless you are "adequatly armed".

again: polar bear land, not black bears...


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Sorry I didn't see your last post . . . .

Then again if you have regs about the caliber requirements . . . .

1. Do a google search.
2. Ask the park / wildlife rangers.

You're not going to find a light or inexpensive option based on the regs that you listed.

Personally I'd go with a lever action guide gun in .45-70 or .450 calibers.


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iknowfear wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...
[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558713_263883730372804_653164804_n.jpg[/image]

shotguns, large calibre pistols and rifles are allowed, but I dont think automatics. would be for a hike, so lighter is better...

Bear spray without a doubt.

let me repeat myself. they do _NOT_ give you a hiking permit, unless you are "adequatly armed".

again: polar bear land, not black bears...

Yes, we heard you. You need a gun, and a big one. What chad and I are suggesting is that you carry bear spray as well; while they haven't tested it on polar bears, I would stake a substantial amount of money that it is effective. Hell, I'd bet my life on it.

If I were to carry a gun for bear defense, it would be a 12 gauge pump shotgun with alternating loads of 00 buckshot and slugs. The buckshot eliminates most of the annoying need to aim the thing.


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dr_feelgood wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...
[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558713_263883730372804_653164804_n.jpg[/image]

shotguns, large calibre pistols and rifles are allowed, but I dont think automatics. would be for a hike, so lighter is better...

Bear spray without a doubt.

let me repeat myself. they do _NOT_ give you a hiking permit, unless you are "adequatly armed".

again: polar bear land, not black bears...

Yes, we heard you. You need a gun, and a big one. What chad and I are suggesting is that you carry bear spray as well; while they haven't tested it on polar bears, I would stake a substantial amount of money that it is effective. Hell, I'd bet my life on it.

If I were to carry a gun for bear defense, it would be a 12 gauge pump shotgun with alternating loads of 00 buckshot and slugs. The buckshot eliminates most of the annoying need to aim the thing.

ok, sorry, did not get the "as well" part. makes sense.
and a shotgun with buckshot and slugs seems to make sense as well. any recomendation on what is sturdy and does not act up in arctic conditions (thaw / freeze / wet / dry /dirt)?


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dr_feelgood wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
Question to all the gun nerds: what would you suggest as self defense weapon for a noob in ice-bear country (spitzbergen)?

Depends...what will the laws there allow?




Edited to add this little gem...
[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558713_263883730372804_653164804_n.jpg[/image]

shotguns, large calibre pistols and rifles are allowed, but I dont think automatics. would be for a hike, so lighter is better...

Bear spray without a doubt.

let me repeat myself. they do _NOT_ give you a hiking permit, unless you are "adequatly armed".

again: polar bear land, not black bears...

Yes, we heard you. You need a gun, and a big one. What chad and I are suggesting is that you carry bear spray as well; while they haven't tested it on polar bears, I would stake a substantial amount of money that it is effective. Hell, I'd bet my life on it.

If I were to carry a gun for bear defense, it would be a 12 gauge pump shotgun with alternating loads of 00 buckshot and slugs. The buckshot eliminates most of the annoying need to aim the thing.

When I worked the gun counter at a sporting goods store here in AZ, we had the State record bear (in stuffed form) at the entrance to the store. The hunter that got him came in one day and we chatted. He showed me the scar where the taxidermist had removed a ten guage slug from the bears skull. It had healed over. That bear wasn't even waist high on all fours.
Get a bigger gun....or get bear spray.


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dr_feelgood wrote:

If I were to carry a gun for bear defense, it would be a 12 gauge pump shotgun with alternating loads of 00 buckshot and slugs. The buckshot eliminates most of the annoying need to aim the thing.


Sorry doc but you still need to aim 00 buckshot. At a the distance that you'd be shooting buckshot (10-15 yards) the 00 shot will have a pattern around 2" in diameter. This is of course using a choke that will allow you to fire both slugs and buckshot.

Once you move out past 15 yards with a choke that allows you to shoot slugs the shot pattern will be too spread out to do much damage to a large animal. Regardless of range buckshot isn't going to have the penetration you'd need on polar bear.

If I where to use a 12 gauge shotgun for polar bear defense I would keep the thing loaded with only slugs. I'd still take with a dozen 00 buck shells though.

Also I'd stay away from shotguns without a butstock; they are very hard to aim and make followup shots. I'd go with a pistol grip with collapsible butstock, five round tube, 20" barrel and mound a side saddle on the receiver to hold extra shells.


Hell the Remington 870 tactical would work rather well. Base price is $370 and you'd need to add the collapsible stock and sidesaddle which will add another $200.


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iknowfear wrote:
let me repeat myself. they do _NOT_ give you a hiking permit, unless you are "adequatly armed".

again: polar bear land, not black bears...

From your link:

"Polar Bear precautions

The polar bear is one on the world's largest predators and extremely dangerous for humans. It can materialise anywhere in Svalbard, all year-round. Should one emerge, your line of conduct should be to keep a safe distance, evading trouble. If this is not possible, you are allowed to shoot the bear in self-defence."

I kinda like it...a sorta wilderness stand your ground law.



Edited to add this pretty cool picture of large game handgun loads...



Personally, if I ever found myself having to outfit out in in ice bear country, I'd want the largest caliber rifle I could get my hands on as well as have a sidearm in a caliber that started with a 4.


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Pinky, with respect to your considerable paper and bird killing skills, you once claimed a 9mm was an effective bear gun, since it was all about shot placement. Generally, you get less than 50 yards on a charging bear, and aiming in that situation is an awful lot like trying to hit the conductor of a moving freight train while standing on the tracks.

I think chad's advice is pretty good. I might consider something like the M14 (provided you can get it) because followup shots are faster, but bear spray works on grizzlies and other browns, so its worth a shot on polar bears, provided you've got somebody to fire the real gun too.


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Here's my sidearm in a caliber beginning with a 4...



13+1 round capacity in 10mm. It's always loaded to capacity with 180 Grain Hornady JHP +P rounds.




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petsfed wrote:
Pinky,...you once claimed a 9mm was an effective bear gun, since it was all about shot placement.

Wrong, I never said "bear", I said charging Bengal Tiger and BTW, it actually is all about shot placement.


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Pinky,...you once claimed a 9mm was an effective bear gun, since it was all about shot placement.

Wrong, I never said "bear", I said charging Bengal Tiger and BTW, it actually is all about shot placement.


In all seriousness what is the largest animal that you'e taken down with a well placed shot? What caliber and firearm where you using? What distance where you from the animal? Finally was the animal moving?

I for one have little experience with anything larger than a moose and one poor habituated and aggressive black bear. :(


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chadnsc wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
petsfed wrote:
Pinky,...you once claimed a 9mm was an effective bear gun, since it was all about shot placement.

Wrong, I never said "bear", I said charging Bengal Tiger and BTW, it actually is all about shot placement.


In all seriousness what is the largest animal that you'e taken down with a well placed shot? What caliber and firearm where you using? What distance where you from the animal? Finally was the animal moving?

I for one have little experience with anything larger than a moose and one poor habituated and aggressive black bear. :(

Chad, go fuck yourself...all you do is yammer You talk about your hunting, you talk about your "workhorse" firearms, you talk, talk, talk.

Post up or shut up. This this is the gun porn thread, not the bullshit thread.

BTW...



This wild pig was the largest animal I've shot (approx 45 Kilos). Range was approximately 40 yards, trotting left to right. It was taken down with a 12 guage slug fired from my Mossy 930 SPX. I used my G23 sidearm for the appropriate coup de grāce shot at point blank range.

She fed many friends and family and the meat was sweet and delicious due to an abundance of acorns that year.


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pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
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Pinky,...you once claimed a 9mm was an effective bear gun, since it was all about shot placement.

Wrong, I never said "bear", I said charging Bengal Tiger and BTW, it actually is all about shot placement.


In all seriousness what is the largest animal that you'e taken down with a well placed shot? What caliber and firearm where you using? What distance where you from the animal? Finally was the animal moving?

I for one have little experience with anything larger than a moose and one poor habituated and aggressive black bear. :(

Chad, go fuck yourself...all you do is yammer You talk about your hunting, you talk about your "workhorse" firearms, you talk, talk, talk.

Post up or shut up. This this is the gun porn thread, not the bullshit thread.

BTW...

[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540859_10151084215621223_868110587_n.jpg[/image]

This wild pig was the largest animal I've shot (approx 45 Kilos). Range was approximately 40 yards, trotting left to right. It was taken down with a 12 guage slug fired from my Mossy 930 SPX. I used my G23 sidearm for the appropriate coup de grāce shot at point blank range.

She fed many friends and family and the meat was sweet and delicious due to an abundance of acorns that year.

Wow. Not the pig but how buthurt you got.

I will not post up pictures of my firearms or the corpses of animals I've taken. There is no need to.

Well actually you could just take a look at the pics of me in my profile, I mean the animals I've hunted and eaten have contributed to my blort.


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pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
petsfed wrote:
Pinky,...you once claimed a 9mm was an effective bear gun, since it was all about shot placement.

Wrong, I never said "bear", I said charging Bengal Tiger and BTW, it actually is all about shot placement.


In all seriousness what is the largest animal that you'e taken down with a well placed shot? What caliber and firearm where you using? What distance where you from the animal? Finally was the animal moving?

I for one have little experience with anything larger than a moose and one poor habituated and aggressive black bear. :(

Chad, go fuck yourself...all you do is yammer You talk about your hunting, you talk about your "workhorse" firearms, you talk, talk, talk.

Post up or shut up. This this is the gun porn thread, not the bullshit thread.

BTW...

[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540859_10151084215621223_868110587_n.jpg[/image]

This wild pig was the largest animal I've shot (approx 45 Kilos). Range was approximately 40 yards, trotting left to right. It was taken down with a 12 guage slug fired from my Mossy 930 SPX. I used my G23 sidearm for the appropriate coup de grāce shot at point blank range.

She fed many friends and family and the meat was sweet and delicious due to an abundance of acorns that year.

Sorry, 12 GA slug to take down a 100 lb pig is not exactly a case study in the value of a well-placed shot.


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pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
petsfed wrote:
Pinky,...you once claimed a 9mm was an effective bear gun, since it was all about shot placement.

Wrong, I never said "bear", I said charging Bengal Tiger and BTW, it actually is all about shot placement.


In all seriousness what is the largest animal that you'e taken down with a well placed shot? What caliber and firearm where you using? What distance where you from the animal? Finally was the animal moving?

I for one have little experience with anything larger than a moose and one poor habituated and aggressive black bear. :(

Chad, go fuck yourself...all you do is yammer You talk about your hunting, you talk about your "workhorse" firearms, you talk, talk, talk.

Post up or shut up. This this is the gun porn thread, not the bullshit thread.

BTW...

[image]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540859_10151084215621223_868110587_n.jpg[/image]

This wild pig was the largest animal I've shot (approx 45 Kilos). Range was approximately 40 yards, trotting left to right. It was taken down with a 12 guage slug fired from my Mossy 930 SPX. I used my G23 sidearm for the appropriate coup de grāce shot at point blank range.

She fed many friends and family and the meat was sweet and delicious due to an abundance of acorns that year.

Sorry, 12 GA slug to take down a 100 lb pig at 40 yards using a rifled barrel semi auto shotgun is not exactly a case study in the value of a well-placed shot.

Fixed that for ya Scrape. Tongue


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Here's my polar bear gun:



It's all about shot placement.


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Scrape that's way too big to carry.

I'd go with this:



Shot placement not an issue.

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