Its a narrow, winding mountain road that climbs from 8000 feet up over the continental divide at 12'000 feet, in the national park nearest Denver, has NO passing lanes and less than 3 miles of passing zone in its 40 mile length. So you're telling me that it is necessary to ride left of the white line with 6 feet of shoulder, through a switchback, on a HOLIDAY WEEKEND?!

Traversing Rocky Mountain National Park is, by definition, a leisure activity. But i hope you can imagine my horror as i had to come to a full, dead stop as two cyclists climbed side-by-side in my lane, ignoring the broad shoulder, in a switchback, while i had to actively hope that RVs in the other lane don't cross the centerline so much that they hit me, since (again) i'm at a full stop and literally can't move out of the way.

I ask again, what's the rock climbing equivalent to that, so i don't do it?

Noticed almost the exact same thing this weekend with cyclists on the road. I have spent my fair time on a bike and I wanted to be sympathetic to the cyclists, but when you see a cyclist a foot into the road when he has access to a nice 2’ wide paved shoulder, cars lined up behind him try to get around safely, I just shook my head. You want people to share the roads? Get the fuck over and share the road asshole.

So we talked about this attitude and decided this attitude was similar to climbers doing shit like climbing on private land, sneaking onto it without paying and then getting angry when they are kicked out. Or climbers who show up in a pack of more than 4 people, unpack everything in the middle of the trail and then give you the stink-eye when you mention they’re set up in the middle of the trail. Or climbers who bring their dog to the crag, let it run around off leash barking and hanging around over your rope after it went for a swim.

Basically climbers saying “I’m a climber, I have as much right to use this space as anyone else” and then proceeds not to be respectful of other user of the area.

This ^ is exactly the problem. A professed cyclist who doesn't realize that two feet isn't a sufficient safety margin. A bike barely fits in a two foot width and not all cars will give you a margin especially when some inattentive tourist on the other side of the road is pushing toward, or over, the center-line.

BIKES NEVER WIN IN A BIKE-CAR COLLISION. Not even glancing blows. It's a zero defect game.

Not all drivers are bad drivers, but it only takes one to ruin your day or maybe end your life.

Well, I don't think trespassing quite counts because it is illegal. My point about the cyclists is that while yes, they do have the right to be there, electing to ride Trail Ridge (which, as I said, is apparently some kind of cycling Mt. Everest) on one of the most popular weekends in the park, is incredibly selfish. I get that not everybody can take a day off to do such things, but if its so important as to interfere with my day (I was coming back from a 4 day backpacking trip), I would hope it'd be important enough to take a day off for.

I like the example of the portaledge at Lover's Leap. I could see somebody practicing that sort of thing there, but it is quite important to do it on an unpopular route.

Well, I don't think trespassing quite counts because it is illegal. My point about the cyclists is that while yes, they do have the right to be there, electing to ride Trail Ridge (which, as I said, is apparently some kind of cycling Mt. Everest) on one of the most popular weekends in the park, is incredibly selfish. I get that not everybody can take a day off to do such things, but if its so important as to interfere with my day (I was coming back from a 4 day backpacking trip), I would hope it'd be important enough to take a day off for.

I like the example of the portaledge at Lover's Leap. I could see somebody practicing that sort of thing there, but it is quite important to do it on an unpopular route.

Its a narrow, winding mountain road that climbs from 8000 feet up over the continental divide at 12'000 feet, in the national park nearest Denver, has NO passing lanes and less than 3 miles of passing zone in its 40 mile length. So you're telling me that it is necessary to ride left of the white line with 6 feet of shoulder, through a switchback, on a HOLIDAY WEEKEND?!