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guangzhou
Jul 26, 2012, 8:25 PM
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I have mixed feeling about more laws, in many cases we're not completely enforcing the existing laws now. I'd prefer to see a few loop holes closed personally.
On a side note, I have a friend who is a gun nut. Doesn't hunt. He own over 20 guns. 3 AR15 all bough legally.
When I asked him why he owned some many, he said he bought them because it was his right to own guns. His right, not because he likes guns.
A single guy owning over 20 guns seems a bit excessive to me. He could outfit a small platoon. Of course, he's not breaking any laws so.....
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larwood91
Jul 28, 2012, 6:45 AM
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I've done a good deal of discussing this matter with a few friends and colleagues...
Pardon the jumble of my response, I lack the drive to organize my thoughts.
I'm a supporter of gun rights. I've got a couple years of experience with these "assault weapons" and I have no problem with their owners. The "last line of defense against tyranny" is where my support comes from. Call me crazy if you like, but I'm starting to distrust the government more and more as time goes on. To me there's a certain amount of ignorance with those who put their full trust in their governing body.
The current laws and codes DO need to be better enforced, yes. But what gets me is the high-cap mags. Have your AR-15, or AK, I don't care. Guns are fun to shoot and I know that I will be prepared should shit hit the fan. But short of a zombie apocalypse(the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard), why in the hell do you need a 100rd mag?
As far as the gun registration comment made a few posts previous to mine. While that concept seems good in theory, look at history. How do you think the Hitler's of the world's past disarmed the public? Anyone who was a registered owner of a firearm was the first stop on the Gestapo. God forbid, and I don't think anything like this will ever happen in the states or anywhere else in the free world in our lifetime, but where should the governments obtain too much power and try and silence the public, who's door do you think is getting knocked on first? Ding ding ding, registered gun owners.
It's easy to say that the argument of "gun laws won't stop criminals" is for the for the weak and tired. But I respectfully disagree with you. Crazies are going to find ways to hurt people if they want to. Regardless of what laws are in place. That's the cold hard truth. Granted, the scope of the damage may be lessened by certain laws but in general, where there's a will, there's a way.
I'll keep my guns and treat them with the respect they demand.
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petsfed
Jul 28, 2012, 7:29 AM
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Well, as I pointed out, the people who have so expanded the government's ability to lock you up without trial are the ones who so vociferously support gun rights. That is, the people who have made it so easy for the Gestapo to work also wave the "defense from tyranny" banner for gun rights. The "omg fascists!" claim sounds pretty hollow coming from people acting *like fascists*.
As far as defending yourself from fascists, I think such a rebellion would live or die depending on how much material could be stolen/liberated when a military unit turns rebel too. I don't mean in some imaginary gun-free future though, I mean right now. We are, via a law few disagree with, denied the means to defend ourselves from an army equipped with World War II era fighting vehicles. Without anti-tank and anti-air ordinance, such a rebellion would die in its infancy.
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larwood91
Jul 28, 2012, 7:46 AM
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petsfed wrote: Well, as I pointed out, the people who have so expanded the government's ability to lock you up without trial are the ones who so vociferously support gun rights. That is, the people who have made it so easy for the Gestapo to work also wave the "defense from tyranny" banner for gun rights. The "omg fascists!" claim sounds pretty hollow coming from people acting *like fascists*. As far as defending yourself from fascists, I think such a rebellion would live or die depending on how much material could be stolen/liberated when a military unit turns rebel too. I don't mean in some imaginary gun-free future though, I mean right now. We are, via a law few disagree with, denied the means to defend ourselves from an army equipped with World War II era fighting vehicles. Without anti-tank and anti-air ordinance, such a rebellion would die in its infancy.
Touche, point taken. I wouldn't call myself a fascist. But the ability the government has to detain indefinitely for no reason scares me. I should probably do more homework on the matter. But I don't think those that support such abilities also support gun rights. Why would they? A rebel uprising would undoubtedly be crushed by a military so powerful as the one the US maintains. However, that doesn't mean I'm not going to do everything I can to protect my family.
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chadnsc
Jul 28, 2012, 8:55 PM
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You realize that this video completely contradicts what you've been posting here about the in the theater shooting how 'only if someone had been carrying then this wouldn't have happened' viewpoint.
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pinktricam
Jul 28, 2012, 9:53 PM
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Yo, douchepuppy, did you miss the "fight" part?
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chadnsc
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pinktricam wrote: Yo, douchepuppy, did you miss the "fight" part?
Did you miss the ENTIRE video before the fight part?
Did you miss that the video only mentions 'fight' for about 30 seconds at the very end?
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rrrADAM
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chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: Yo, douchepuppy, did you miss the "fight" part? Did you miss the ENTIRE video before the fight part? Did you miss that the video only mentions 'fight' for about 30 seconds at the very end?
But, but, pinkie is convinced he is a modern day Paladin.
From this:
To this:
See, if he were in the "right place at the right time", just think of all the interviews he would do afterwards so we could all know just how great he is, and how right he's been, ALL ALONG.
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pinktricam
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rrrADAM wrote: See, if he were in the "right place at the right time", just think of all the interviews he would do afterwards so we could all know just how great he is, and how right he's been, ALL ALONG.
It's clear you really don't know me.
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pinktricam
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chadnsc
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pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img]
Corresponding data to back up that claim?
When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data.
Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account.
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carabiner96
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chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img] Corresponding data to back up that claim? When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data. Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account.
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pinktricam
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carabiner96 wrote: carabiner96 wrote: 2nd amendment says folks can have guns, but if the founding fathers knew that we'd be applying that rule to modern mass-murdering technology, they'd be rolling in their grave and saying 'Those dumb f*cks!' I'm fine with single shot long barrel guns for hunting, and small hand guns/pistols for the 'self defense' nuts. Anything remotely semi or auto belongs exclusively to police and armed forces, maybe they can be hosted at shooting ranges but they can't leave the premises. Firearms over a certain caliber or power have no business being owned by the general populace. Signed, a gun owner. Add: Outside of a shooting range, where they cannot leave, one can only buy 50 rounds of ammo in a year. And they should cost $20 a pop.
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saint_john
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chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img] Corresponding data to back up that claim? When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data. Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account.
Pinky - Cite one shooting spree that was stopped by a civilian carrying concealed, please.
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carabiner96
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pinktricam wrote: carabiner96 wrote: carabiner96 wrote: 2nd amendment says folks can have guns, but if the founding fathers knew that we'd be applying that rule to modern mass-murdering technology, they'd be rolling in their grave and saying 'Those dumb f*cks!' I'm fine with single shot long barrel guns for hunting, and small hand guns/pistols for the 'self defense' nuts. Anything remotely semi or auto belongs exclusively to police and armed forces, maybe they can be hosted at shooting ranges but they can't leave the premises. Firearms over a certain caliber or power have no business being owned by the general populace. Signed, a gun owner. Add: Outside of a shooting range, where they cannot leave, one can only buy 50 rounds of ammo in a year. And they should cost $20 a pop.
Open to civil discourse as always, I see.
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pinktricam
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...and a few unwecomed witticismz ;p
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petsfed
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saint_john wrote: chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img] Corresponding data to back up that claim? When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data. Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account. Pinky - Cite one shooting spree that was stopped by a civilian carrying concealed, please.
Well, there was that one at the mega-church in Colorado Springs. I think a lot of people tout that one as "proof" that concealed weapons can stop massacres. Details here. Of course, the armed citizen was actually a former police officer, but that's a whole other can of worms. That's the only one I can think of off-hand.
Pink? You seem to study these things pretty closely. Can you think of any more?
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Aug 7, 2012, 5:11 PM
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petsfed wrote: saint_john wrote: chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img] Corresponding data to back up that claim? When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data. Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account. Pinky - Cite one shooting spree that was stopped by a civilian carrying concealed, please. Well, there was that one at the mega-church in Colorado Springs. I think a lot of people tout that one as "proof" that concealed weapons can stop massacres. Details here. Of course, the armed citizen was actually a former police officer, but that's a whole other can of worms. That's the only one I can think of off-hand. Pink? You seem to study these things pretty closely. Can you think of any more?
He studies it quite closely. He has the data on the night stand along with a box of tissues and a bottle of hand lotion.
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petsfed wrote: saint_john wrote: chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img] Corresponding data to back up that claim? When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data. Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account. Pinky - Cite one shooting spree that was stopped by a civilian carrying concealed, please. Well, there was that one at the mega-church in Colorado Springs. I think a lot of people tout that one as "proof" that concealed weapons can stop massacres. Details here. Of course, the armed citizen was actually a former police officer, but that's a whole other can of worms. That's the only one I can think of off-hand. Pink? You seem to study these things pretty closely. Can you think of any more?
that's the only one I can think of as well.
if only there had been an upstanding citizen with a firearm in the church Dr. Tiller was murdered in.
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DougMartin
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drivel wrote: petsfed wrote: saint_john wrote: chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img] Corresponding data to back up that claim? When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data. Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account. Pinky - Cite one shooting spree that was stopped by a civilian carrying concealed, please. Well, there was that one at the mega-church in Colorado Springs. I think a lot of people tout that one as "proof" that concealed weapons can stop massacres. Details here. Of course, the armed citizen was actually a former police officer, but that's a whole other can of worms. That's the only one I can think of off-hand. Pink? You seem to study these things pretty closely. Can you think of any more? that's the only one I can think of as well. if only there had been an upstanding citizen with a firearm in the church Dr. Tiller was murdered in. [image]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv211/twangerstudios/popcorn2.gif[/image]
Anyone mention the latest one!
Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store!
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx
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DougMartin
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drivel wrote: petsfed wrote: saint_john wrote: chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img] Corresponding data to back up that claim? When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data. Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account. Pinky - Cite one shooting spree that was stopped by a civilian carrying concealed, please. Well, there was that one at the mega-church in Colorado Springs. I think a lot of people tout that one as "proof" that concealed weapons can stop massacres. Details here. Of course, the armed citizen was actually a former police officer, but that's a whole other can of worms. That's the only one I can think of off-hand. Pink? You seem to study these things pretty closely. Can you think of any more? that's the only one I can think of as well. if only there had been an upstanding citizen with a firearm in the church Dr. Tiller was murdered in. [image]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv211/twangerstudios/popcorn2.gif[/image]
And yet another,
Armed Citizen in TX Stops Shooting Spree and Saves Cop by Making 150+ Yard Shot With a Pistol
http://deadlinelive.info/2012/08/07/armed-citizen-in-tx-stops-shooting-spree-and-saves-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/
That is two that I posted where an armed citizen ended situations that would have or did end in the death due to a crazy person!
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guangzhou
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150 yards with a pistol, wow, that's a good shot.
The local newspaper version:
http://www.reporternews.com/...oon/?partner=popular
Two men argue over dog shot, man one goes to trailer and comes back to shoot man 2. Man 2's wife yells at man 1 and she gets shot. (No guns to buy, situation wouldn't have escalated this far.)
Cops show up and fire with assault riffle, other trailer park man opens fire on man 1too. Man 1 is distracted and get shots. (Not sure who hit him.
If man 1 couldn't have bought a gun legally, they would be three people still alive instead of dead over dog shit.
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pinktricam
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saint_john wrote: chadnsc wrote: pinktricam wrote: [img]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481101_440216336023732_867224558_n.jpg[/img] Corresponding data to back up that claim? When I did a search for data all I came up with was a bunch of opinion pieces that don't cite sources and quote this image. That's not data. Oh and the link on the bottom of this image; just some guys twitter account. Pinky - Cite one shooting spree that was stopped by a civilian carrying concealed, please.
I chuckled when I read this one....silly, silly person.
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DougMartin
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guangzhou wrote: 150 yards with a pistol, wow, that's a good shot. The local newspaper version: http://www.reporternews.com/...oon/?partner=popular Two men argue over dog shot, man one goes to trailer and comes back to shoot man 2. Man 2's wife yells at man 1 and she gets shot. (No guns to buy, situation wouldn't have escalated this far.) Cops show up and fire with assault riffle, other trailer park man opens fire on man 1too. Man 1 is distracted and get shots. (Not sure who hit him. If man 1 couldn't have bought a gun legally, they would be three people still alive instead of dead over dog shit.
Good point and very true, but that can be said for nearly anything that has the potential to kill others.
You could say that if cell phones were illegal there would not be ay traffic deaths due to them as well. Also, if alcohol was still illegal drunk driving would not be a problem. You could just outlaw cars and stop both of those as well. The list would go on forever.
The only thing that would be left is the people, and my guess is that one of those people would lose it over a pile of dog crap and beat the other one to death with a stick sooner or later!
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