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Oldfatrad


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SOCIALISM -is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill-

Sure sounds like Obama is a socialist.


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Andrew Carnegie wrote:
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.

Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"

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Oldfatrad wrote:
SOCIALISM -is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill-

Sure sounds like Obama is a socialist.

"When Catholicism goes bad it becomes the religion of amulets and holy places and priestcraft: Protestantism, in its corresponding decay, becomes a vague mist of ethical platitudes”
-C.S. Lewis

Sure sounds like Romney is a Protestant.



While this is also an obvious non sequitur, it actually makes more sense than yours.


pinktricam


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curt wrote:
Andrew Carnegie wrote:
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.

Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"

Curt

Churchill > Carnegie


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curt


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pinktricam wrote:
curt wrote:
Andrew Carnegie wrote:
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.

Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"

Curt

Churchill > Carnegie

Leading a country into war, yes. In the area of economics and finance--not so much.

Curt


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pinktricam wrote:
curt wrote:
Andrew Carnegie wrote:
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.

Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"

Curt

Churchill > Carnegie

I can play that game too.

Albert Einstein wrote:
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate (the) grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

Einstein >> Churchill


pinktricam


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veganclimber wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
curt wrote:
Andrew Carnegie wrote:
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.

Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"

Curt

Churchill > Carnegie

I can play that game too.

Albert Einstein wrote:
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate (the) grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

Einstein >> Churchill

Oh, yeah?

Jesus >>> Einstein [Boo-YA!]

I may like the "principle", but I don't trust the institution. The "helping your fellows is" best met at the local level; from society up, not from the top down.


curt


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pinktricam wrote:
veganclimber wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
curt wrote:
Andrew Carnegie wrote:
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.

Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"

Curt

Churchill > Carnegie

I can play that game too.

Albert Einstein wrote:
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate (the) grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

Einstein >> Churchill

Oh, yeah?

Jesus >>> Einstein [Boo-YA!]

Even accepting that at face value, Jesus was a revolutionary socialist.

Curt


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curt wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
veganclimber wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
curt wrote:
Andrew Carnegie wrote:
I believe Socialism is the grandest theory ever presented, and I am sure it will someday rule the world. Then we will have attained the Millennium.… Then men will be content to work for the general welfare and share their riches with their neighbors.

Andrew Carnegie in New York Times (1 January 1885) "A Millionaire Socialist"

Curt

Churchill > Carnegie

I can play that game too.

Albert Einstein wrote:
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate (the) grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

Einstein >> Churchill

Oh, yeah?

Jesus >>> Einstein [Boo-YA!]

Even accepting that at face value, Jesus was a revolutionary socialist.

Curt

Hence, my liking the "principle." It's my distrust of our government's means of bringing this about in an efficient and equitable manner that lends me pause.


Kartessa


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Pinkie makes my head spin


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Based solely on what Obama's critics have said over the last four years, I think I've come up with the most concise definition of socialism for today's political landscape.

Socialism is when people poorer than the speaker benefit from tax expenditures. When it benefits people richer than the speaker, its called "Job Creation".


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Oldfatrad wrote:
SOCIALISM -is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill-

Sure sounds like Obama is a socialist.


Wow... In all the years you have posted the same tired stuff on more than one site, and the response it gets, each and every time, from everyone, I am suprised you haven't figured out yet that you are all noise and no signal.

What does that say about YOUR thinking process?


Oldfatrad


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rrrAdam,

There is plenty of signal, you are merely to0 unsophisticated to understand the concepts or it's possible that you are on the receiving end of the socialism and desire more.


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Wow... You sure told me.


BTW... Again, you need to do some research...
Israel is democratic and is home to several political parties which stretch across the political spectrum. However, since its establishment in 1948, Israel has followed an economic model that resembles liberal socialism.

Not that I think you will actually try to expand your world-view to something that doesn't fit nicely into your little box, but it's worth leading the horse to water especially since I'm stupid enough to think that it might drink:
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If socialism is evil, does that make Israel bad?

Israel is, at least in part, a socialist country. From their policies on healthcare, welfare, daycare, free benefits for immigrants, nationalization of banks and other industries, it cannot be argued that Israel does not employ socialism.

Healthcare: while Americans argue about the evils or benefits of universal healthcare, Israel enjoys their own universal, compulsory system. A state-run collection agency collections a membership fee from every employer, and distributes it to one of four different HMOs. Each person must choose one of these HMOs, and in turn, these HMOs cannot turn anyone down for healthcare. Prescription drugs were actually given free of charge until recently. Now a nominal (small) fee is charged.

. . .

Stipends (read: welfare) are given to ultra-Orthodox males who choose to study at religious yeshivas. The majority of ultra-orthodox males do not work their entire lives - at least 65% of males choose to study the Torah as their main occupation, and Israel has always had a policy of encouraging this practice.

In addition, many ultra-orthodox females do not work outside of the home for religious reasons. As a result, more than half of all Ultra-Orthodox families live in poverty and receive government assistance.

. . .
http://bonosrama.newsvine.com/...that-make-israel-bad

Note that we (USA) give ~$3 BILLION a year to Israel, so the taxpayers here also pay into the welfare state that is Israel.


The article above cites many sources, and gives lots of info on all the other ways in which they employ socialism.

Or, you can research it on your own... If you choose to look outside your little box, that is.


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Kartessa


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Oldfatrad wrote:
rrrAdam,

There is plenty of signal, you are merely to0 unsophisticated to understand the concepts or it's possible that you are on the receiving end of the socialism and desire more.


TheTool

Its funny... people bitch about those on the receiving end until they realize they may need it.

Imagine you or someone you love was diagnosed with cancer or some other disease that can be expensive and long to treat? Would you appreciate socialized health care then? How about financial safety nets to help make ends meet while missing work due to treatment?

How about families with a disabled child? (Maybe even one they knew was going to be disabled before birth but didnt want an abortion) Are they freeloaders?

Should foster kids quit whining and get jobs to support themselves? I mean if their families aren't going to take care of them, they sure as hell shouldnt depend on tax payers, am I right?

You're right. Government has no place protecting society's most vulnerable. Children, the sick, the disabled, and the old shouldn't assume that the rest of your country cares enough to take care of them.

That's why the bible says not to take care of each other, because socialism is evil and brotherhood is blasphemy.

YAY GREED!


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The problem that the Reptilian (accidental spell check that I'll leave in) party is making is that I don't vote against someone, I vote FOR someone. Sure Obama has his faults, but shit, Romney looks a fuck of a lot worse. I have yet to hear a compelling arguement to vote FOR Romney. If you have one I'd be delighted to hear it.


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My favourite part of the Christian right is the whole bit about "Love thy neighbour" (unless he needs help, then screw him).


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"You're all a bunch of slaves!"

~Jim Morrison


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Here 'ya go: The tremendous financial firepower they bring to the table in troubling economic times.

Romney spent years buying and selling businesses. He's an astute financial statement decoder with an eye for improvement. Ryan had the stones to make a proposal and knows more about government finance than possibly anybody in government today. Whatever else you have against them, their financial acumen is just awesome.


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rmsusa wrote:
Here 'ya go: The tremendous financial firepower they bring to the table in troubling economic times.

Romney spent years buying and selling businesses. He's an astute financial statement decoder with an eye for improvement. Ryan had the stones to make a proposal and knows more about government finance than possibly anybody in government today. Whatever else you have against them, their financial acumen is just awesome.

One of the funniest (incorrect) things I've ever read.

Curt


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Is divesting Texas is on the table?


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rmsusa wrote:
Here 'ya go: The tremendous financial firepower they bring to the table in troubling economic times.

Romney spent years buying and selling businesses. He's an astute financial statement decoder with an eye for improvement. Ryan had the stones to make a proposal and knows more about government finance than possibly anybody in government today. Whatever else you have against them, their financial acumen is just awesome.

Of course you'll get rich if you don't pay your taxes


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
Is divesting Texas is on the table?
Please! Give them to Mexico as a colony!


veganclimber


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rmsusa wrote:
Here 'ya go: The tremendous financial firepower they bring to the table in troubling economic times.

Romney spent years buying and selling businesses. He's an astute financial statement decoder with an eye for improvement. Ryan had the stones to make a proposal and knows more about government finance than possibly anybody in government today. Whatever else you have against them, their financial acumen is just awesome.

Romney sure knows a lot about making money, for himself. He's good at hanging on to it too. The last thing I want is for somebody to run the country like Romney ran Bain.

I'm not at all impressed with Ryan's budget either. It's a massive tax cut for the rich, while increasing taxes on the poor and middle class. It would result in an estimated $4.3 trillion loss in revenue over 10 years.

He makes up for this loss of revenue by cutting spending. Of course his spending cuts primarily hurt the poor. The one thing he won't cut is defense spending. Who cares if people are sick and don't have access to health care. Who cares if people are starving. As long as we maintain the ability to police the world.

Just more republican bullshit from these two. Give more to the rich while taking from the poor and middle class. One more thing. You might want to look into Ryan's past before praising him as a fiscal conservative.


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rmsusa wrote:
Here 'ya go: The tremendous financial firepower they bring to the table in troubling economic times.

Romney spent years buying and selling businesses. He's an astute financial statement decoder with an eye for improvement. Ryan had the stones to make a proposal and knows more about government finance than possibly anybody in government today. Whatever else you have against them, their financial acumen is just awesome.

Paul Ryan's budget plan in a nutshell:

step 1. lower taxes, offset with closing loopholes in step 2.
step 2.
step 3. profit!

Yes, he's clearly a budget genius.

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