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D - neither.
Hurricanes that hit the northeast aren't nearly as damaging as those that hit the south. This is a storm worth talking about, but it's nothing compared to the nor'easters that hit every winter.
Oct 30, 2012, 9:20 AM
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D - neither.
Hurricanes that hit the northeast aren't nearly as damaging as those that hit the south. This is a storm worth talking about, but it's nothing compared to the nor'easters that hit every winter.
In other words, it's a non-issue.
This was true in Massachusetts. Not so much in NY, NJ, PA.
Oct 30, 2012, 9:26 AM
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I worry that some people won't be physically able to vote, and being that most of the northeast leans toward Democrat, that could adversely affect things.
I don't think the reprieve we are getting from political media coverage is a bad thing. Most people are decided about who they hope will win, who they intend to cast a ballot for. The minutiae of He said/He said is not really necessary (though of course I am glad that the "47%" news thing didn't occur yesterday - hahah).
But - most important is that people who are struggling with damage, and in some cases loss of the life of a loved one, get the support they need, and I think both presidential candidates ought to be focused on that.
Oct 30, 2012, 9:44 AM
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D - neither.
Hurricanes that hit the northeast aren't nearly as damaging as those that hit the south. This is a storm worth talking about, but it's nothing compared to the nor'easters that hit every winter.
In other words, it's a non-issue.
This was true in Massachusetts. Not so much in NY, NJ, PA.
this storm didn't change how people will vote in those states. maybe what Terrie said could be true, but life will be closer to being back to normal in a week.
Bush got re-elected after Katrina. I don't think Sandy will have an effect.
Oct 30, 2012, 10:53 AM
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D - neither.
Hurricanes that hit the northeast aren't nearly as damaging as those that hit the south. This is a storm worth talking about, but it's nothing compared to the nor'easters that hit every winter.
In other words, it's a non-issue.
This was true in Massachusetts. Not so much in NY, NJ, PA.
this storm didn't change how people will vote in those states. maybe what Terrie said could be true, but life will be closer to being back to normal in a week.
Bush got re-elected after Katrina. I don't think Sandy will have an effect.
Actually, Bush got re-elected (2004) before Katrina (2005).
And, there is evidence that people's votes are affected by things that are beyond politicians' control, even things that are totally irrelevant from a political standpoint. e.g.:
Does information irrelevant to government performance affect voting behavior? If so, how does this help us understand the mechanisms underlying voters’ retrospective assessments of candidates’ performance in office? To precisely test for the effects of irrelevant information, we explore the electoral impact of local college football games just before an election, irrelevant events that government has nothing to dowith and forwhich no government response would be expected.Wefindthat a win in the 10d before ElectionDay causes the incumbent to receive an additional 1.61 percentage points of the vote in Senate, gubernatorial, and presidential elections,with the effect being larger for teams with stronger fan support. In addition to conducting placebo tests based on postelection games, we demonstrate these effects by using the betting market’s estimate of a team’s probability of winning the gamebefore it occurs to isolate the surprise component of game outcomes. We corroborate these aggregate-level results with a survey that we conducted during the 2009NCAAmen’s college basketball tournament,wherewefindthat surprising wins and losses affect presidential approval. An experiment embedded within the survey also indicates that personal well-being may influence voting decisions on a subconscious level. We find that making people more aware of the reasons for their current state of mind reduces the effect that irrelevant events have on their opinions. These findings underscore the subtle power of irrelevant events in shaping important real-world decisions and suggest ways in which decision making can be improved.
With that said, I think the bigger potential effect here is on voter turnout. I doubt that it will swing the electoral college, since the most severely affected states are pretty solidly blue, but there are two interesting possibilities that I can envision:
(1) PA is currently running about 49/45 for Obama. If the storm disproportionately depresses turnout in (blue) southeastern PA, could that be enough to tip the state to Romney? (2) The storm has no effect on the electoral college, and Obama happens to be the winner. But due to depressed voter turnout in PA, NY, NJ, CT, the nationwide popular vote tips to Romney.
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With that said, I think the bigger potential effect here is on voter turnout. I doubt that it will swing the electoral college, since the most severely affected states are pretty solidly blue, but there are two interesting possibilities that I can envision:
(1) PA is currently running about 49/45 for Obama. If the storm disproportionately depresses turnout in (blue) southeastern PA, could that be enough to tip the state to Romney?
(2) The storm has no effect on the electoral college, and Obama happens to be the winner. But due to depressed voter turnout in PA, NY, NJ, CT, the nationwide popular vote tips to Romney.
Or, how about
(3) The storm depresses turnout equally between Democrats and Republicans, making the early voting (supposedly favoring Obama) proportionally more significant.
But, that's just one more guess. Realistically, I think there are too many variables to predict what the real impact will be.
With that said, I think the bigger potential effect here is on voter turnout. I doubt that it will swing the electoral college, since the most severely affected states are pretty solidly blue, but there are two interesting possibilities that I can envision:
(1) PA is currently running about 49/45 for Obama. If the storm disproportionately depresses turnout in (blue) southeastern PA, could that be enough to tip the state to Romney?
(2) The storm has no effect on the electoral college, and Obama happens to be the winner. But due to depressed voter turnout in PA, NY, NJ, CT, the nationwide popular vote tips to Romney.
Or, how about
(3) The storm depresses turnout equally between Democrats and Republicans, making the early voting (supposedly favoring Obama) proportionally more significant.
But, that's just one more guess. Realistically, I think there are too many variables to predict what the real impact will be.
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This. Anything else is just wild speculation, and anything after the fact is wild conspiracy theory.
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Or, how about
(3) The storm depresses turnout equally between Democrats and Republicans, making the early voting (supposedly favoring Obama) proportionally more significant.
But, that's just one more guess. Realistically, I think there are too many variables to predict what the real impact will be.
Curt
This. Anything else is just wild speculation, and anything after the fact is wild conspiracy theory.
Well, there is the increased risk that Romney will double-back on his previous position of not supporting FEMA, but other than that, I'm no fortune teller.
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D - neither.
Hurricanes that hit the northeast aren't nearly as damaging as those that hit the south. This is a storm worth talking about, but it's nothing compared to the nor'easters that hit every winter.
In other words, it's a non-issue.
You can't be this oblivious - can you? Nothing compared to a nor'easter?
(3) The storm depresses turnout equally between Democrats and Republicans, making the early voting (supposedly favoring Obama) proportionally more significant.
But, that's just one more guess. Realistically, I think there are too many variables to predict what the real impact will be.
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This. Anything else is just wild speculation, and anything after the fact is wild conspiracy theory.
Well, there is the increased risk that Romney will double-back on his previous position of not supporting FEMA, but other than that, I'm no fortune teller.
From today's Chicago Tribune
Chicago Tribune wrote:
Mitt's team scrambles with aftermath of FEMA comment and 'Romnesia'
Words have a way of coming back to haunt Mitt Romney, especially when he says them in front of television cameras.
As the nation braced itself for Hurricane Sandy to slam into the East Coast, Romney's campaign was busily issuing denials to clean up an impression left by last year's "severely conservative" Romney long before he recently was replaced by Moderate Mitt.
No, Team Romney insisted, their candidate does not really want to abolish the Federal Emergency Management Agency, even if his words make him sound like he does.
Confusing? Hey, we're talking about the newly restored Moderate Mitt, the candidate whose beliefs are like Chicago's weather: If you don't like 'em, just wait a few minutes...
Hurricanes that hit the northeast aren't nearly as damaging as those that hit the south. This is a storm worth talking about, but it's nothing compared to the nor'easters that hit every winter.
In other words, it's a non-issue.
You can't be this oblivious - can you? Nothing compared to a nor'easter?
OK, so it's more than that, but really, hurricanes are usually more manageable in the northeast than a nor'easter is. Shit, the Blizzard of '78 only dropped 27 inches and look how infamous that turned out to be. Now that was a hurricane made for the northeast.
I'm really not downplaying the aftermath of the storm, but the people who are comparing this to Katrina (and yes, I've actually read that a few times already) are crazy. I'm sure most polling stations will up and ready to go next Tuesday, even if 100% of people don't have power yet.