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bearbreeder
Nov 4, 2012, 8:08 AM
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is the study online?
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Gmburns2000
Nov 4, 2012, 12:34 PM
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makes sense.
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healyje
Nov 4, 2012, 7:49 PM
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If, as the article suggests, five million people climbed in gyms in 2008 then the only real question is of the miracle there weren't more ER visits.
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wonderwoman
Nov 5, 2012, 4:32 PM
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moved from A & I to general by ww. Not related to a particular accident or incident.
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jeepnphreak
Nov 5, 2012, 4:57 PM
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healyje wrote: If, as the article suggests, five million people climbed in gyms in 2008 then the only real question is of the miracle there weren't more ER visits.
No doubt, in 17 years, at a climbing gyms there are 40,282 injuries from sprain to twisted joint ect, we kill that many on the roads every year and people don't think twice about driving.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...aths_in_U.S._by_year
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brooklynclimber
Nov 8, 2012, 10:55 PM
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healyje wrote: If, as the article suggests, five million people climbed in gyms in 2008 then the only real question is of the miracle there weren't more ER visits.
That's only around three a day (quick math in my head).
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majid_sabet
Nov 9, 2012, 12:31 AM
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healyje wrote: If, as the article suggests, five million people climbed in gyms in 2008 then the only real question is of the miracle there weren't more ER visits.
1-2 fatality regarding gym incidents and few injuries with gri gri and auto belay but overall, the accidents in gyms were so slim.
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healyje
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majid_sabet wrote: healyje wrote: If, as the article suggests, five million people climbed in gyms in 2008 then the only real question is of the miracle there weren't more ER visits. 1-2 fatality regarding gym incidents and few injuries with gri gri and auto belay but overall, the accidents in gyms were so slim.
I would disagree - more like someone is getting dropped in some gym around the globe on the hour, every hour 24x7x365. What is clear is few of those drops result in deaths or hospital visits.
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amarius
Nov 9, 2012, 6:19 PM
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Very interesting article. Unfortunately, you fail to understand that the research article quoted in op-ed does not differentiate between outside climbing and climbing gyms.
Since looking the article up might be a tad challenging for some, here is the relevant paragraph:
In reply to: All injuries identified by the NEISS product code for mountain climbing (1258), which includes rock climbing–related injuries, between 1990 and 2007 were reviewed (N1845). A key-word search of these case narratives for rock, wall, and gym identified 1126 potential cases. After review of the narratives from potential cases, a total of 280 cases were excluded on the basis that they actually involved mountaineering, mountain climbing, or hiking, or otherwise did not involve rock climbing. The remaining 846 cases were used in the analysis
I would like to repeat that for data mining words "rock", "wall", and "gym" were used, that is any case matching any of these would trigger a hit.
Keep in mind, then researchers performed a bit of statistical magic, coming up with this -
In reply to: From 1990 through 2007, there were an estimated 40,282 (95% CI23,477.60, 57,086.60) rock climbing related injuries, averaging 2237 injuries annually. The annual number of cases increased 63.0% over the study period from 1617 in 1990 to 2637 in 2007 (p0.001), with a high of 3314 injuries in 2003 and a decreasing trend from 2005 to 2007. The mean age of injured climbers was 26 years (range: 2–74 years; 95% CI 24.89, 27.11). Patients aged 20–39 years accounted for more than half of all injuries (56.0%), followed by climbers aged 19 years (29.6%) or 40 years (14.3%). Men accounted for 71.8% of all rock climbing– related injuries (Table 1).
I suspect this was a poor attempt to confirm your statement regarding unacceptable safety practices in the gym, were you implied that padded floors are one of the reasons for belaying mistakes. Then you should be glad to read this, from the same article
In reply to: More research is needed on the role of personal safety equipment and environmental protection (e.g., padded floors in climbing gyms) and their impact on injury prevention among rock climbers.
The article may be found here
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