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Kartessa


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Feel free to add/edit this, I'm trying to understand how this works a little better.

In General Terms:

Although guns are attributed to a large percentage of violent deaths in the USA, there are people are still against doing anything about it, claiming that there are so many other things out there that can be dangerous in the hands of a criminal too, so why centre out guns? "If keeping my gun means that people out there are shooting at each other with automatic weapons, so be it."

Or in Trad-Climber Terms:

Its like if you had 10 ham sammiches and 9 friends, but you want to eat 2 sammies. So instead of just eating one, and letting all your friends get some awesome ham sammich action, you eat 2 and throw the other 8 away. After all, you didn't have enough to please everyone.


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It all comes to the fact that it is part of the Constitution. And as such, it can't be altered, ever, Because everyone knows that Constitution has never been amended. It is written is stone, like those Babylonian tablets, and anything that was said in the 18th century is still correct, because the world had not changed at all.

So, you see, people in America are trying to dance around it with various band-aids, such as banning the assault weapons ( to be defined precisely at some point, because they are not yet defined precisely) and forbidding the large capacity magazines by reducing the maximum allowable number of bullets to another arbitrary number, instead of coming out with the most logical thing, which is to re-examine the whole premise of the second amendment and it is need/usefulness in the modern world.

And while they do it, the rest of thew world is looking on with some confusion and trying to understand something that defies understanding,


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Pro-gun logic. Another excellent new oxymoron.

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lena_chita wrote:
It all comes to the fact that it is part of the Constitution. And as such, it can't be altered, ever, Because everyone knows that Constitution has never been amended. It is written is stone, like those Babylonian tablets, and anything that was said in the 18th century is still correct, because the world had not changed at all.

So, you see, people in America are trying to dance around it with various band-aids, such as banning the assault weapons ( to be defined precisely at some point, because they are not yet defined precisely) and forbidding the large capacity magazines by reducing the maximum allowable number of bullets to another arbitrary number, instead of coming out with the most logical thing, which is to re-examine the whole premise of the second amendment and it is need/usefulness in the modern world.

And while they do it, the rest of thew world is looking on with some confusion and trying to understand something that defies understanding,

Amazing how so many root their identity in a constitutional right to carry items to take the lives of others.

Doesn't that go against the life and liberty and justice part?


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As far as I've noticed, the 2nd ammendment is the only one that enumerates rights that people treat as obligations.

Its more than just the 2nd Amendment. That's used as hamfisted justification. Its a culture built on paranoia and machismo. And since they can't be racists or sexists anymore, they cling to the legal justification for that particular brand of count-to-potato stupidity.


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It appears that BO has been the most incredible thing to have happened to the firearms industry. Sales have not come remotely close to these past weeks figures since, well, since his first inauguration.

BO has had an agenda towards making guns disappear and it's working! I have never seen the guns at my LGS's disappear so fast.

This is good for America and American jobs. Thank you BO, you've finally done something positive for the economic slump we've been in since you've been in office.

It has indeed been a boon without bailouts to a great all American industry! As well as a great shot in the arm to an all American tradition. Why, did you know that here in the "gunshine" state we're about to pass a milestone in concealed carry weapons permits....yes, over 1,000,000!

Thank you, BO. Thank you for all you've done to make it possible. I doff my hat to your efforts, sir. Indeed, you rock!


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pinktricam wrote:
It appears that BO has been the most incredible thing to have happened to the firearms industry. Sales have not come remotely close to these past weeks figures since, well, since his first inauguration.

BO has had an agenda towards making guns disappear and it's working! I have never seen the guns at my LGS's disappear so fast.

This is good for America and American jobs. Thank you BO, you've finally done something positive for the economic slump we've been in since you've been in office.

It has indeed been a boon without bailouts to a great all American industry! As well as a great shot in the arm to an all American tradition. Why, did you know that here in the "gunshine" state we're about to pass a milestone in concealed carry weapons permits....yes, over 1,000,000!

Thank you, BO. Thank you for all you've done to make it possible. I doff my hat to your efforts, sir. Indeed, you rock!

Don't you mean that he's give manufactures a way to play off peoples bias and fears so they can price gouge the general public in regards to the cost of firearms and ammo?


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Don't you mean that he's give manufactures a way to play off peoples bias and fears so they can price gouge the general public in regards to the cost of firearms and ammo?

Um, no....MSRP's haven't changed. What has changed are the prices on firearms by opportunistic, blood-sucking gun dealers.

The ones around my neck of the woods have, for the most part, been fair and honorable; knowing that when this latest "crisis" passes, they will still retain their established customer base.

It's the scum on many of the Internet sites that are doing most of the gouging (gunbroker.com and the like). Remember my Mini-14? The one I was asking a fair price for a few months ago on the gun porn thread? One online seller wanted $1100 for one in not even close to the condition mine's in.

Oh, btw, my mini's no longer up for sale.


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pinktricam wrote:
BO has had an agenda towards making guns disappear and it's working!

Since you believe in majoc, I won;t ask why you believe the above... As it is apparent that you will believe ANYTHING.


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Oh, btw, my mini's no longer up for sale.

Damn... I still want one of those, just a more stock one... Not one on Viagra.


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pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
Don't you mean that he's give manufactures a way to play off peoples bias and fears so they can price gouge the general public in regards to the cost of firearms and ammo?

Um, no....MSRP's haven't changed. What has changed are the prices on firearms by opportunistic, blood-sucking gun dealers.

Bullshit.

The MSRP for a base AR 15 platform was around $900 five years ago, no they are in the $1,800 range.

I'm not sure if you're friends with any firearms dealers but I am and the MSRP has gone up nearly 190% over the past six years. This is way out of the norm for firearms where normally you could expect to see a rise of maybe 20%


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pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
Don't you mean that he's give manufactures a way to play off peoples bias and fears so they can price gouge the general public in regards to the cost of firearms and ammo?

Um, no....MSRP's haven't changed. What has changed are the prices on firearms by opportunistic, blood-sucking gun dealers.

Why do you hate our free market system, pinko?


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camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
Don't you mean that he's give manufactures a way to play off peoples bias and fears so they can price gouge the general public in regards to the cost of firearms and ammo?

Um, no....MSRP's haven't changed. What has changed are the prices on firearms by opportunistic, blood-sucking gun dealers.

Why do you hate our free market system, pinko?

Pinko's a stinky socialist when it comes to his gunz.


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rrrADAM wrote:
Since you believe in ma joc, I won;t ask why you believe the above... As it is apparent that you will believe ANYTHING.

Edited for hilarity


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petsfed wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
Since you believe in ma joc, I won;t ask why you believe the above... As it is apparent that you will believe ANYTHING.

Edited for hilarity

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petsfed wrote:
And since they can't be racists or sexists anymore, they cling to the legal justification for that particular brand of count-to-potato stupidity.

What is count-to-potato?


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Well, try to count to potato
















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chadnsc wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
Don't you mean that he's give manufactures a way to play off peoples bias and fears so they can price gouge the general public in regards to the cost of firearms and ammo?

Um, no....MSRP's haven't changed. What has changed are the prices on firearms by opportunistic, blood-sucking gun dealers.

Bullshit.

The MSRP for a base AR 15 platform was around $900 five years ago, no they are in the $1,800 range.

I'm not sure if you're friends with any firearms dealers but I am and the MSRP has gone up nearly 190% over the past six years. This is way out of the norm for firearms where normally you could expect to see a rise of maybe 20%

No, not bullshit.

I don't know where you're shopping, but a basic AR 15 can still be found for < $800.

You can build one for < $800, too.


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pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
Don't you mean that he's give manufactures a way to play off peoples bias and fears so they can price gouge the general public in regards to the cost of firearms and ammo?

Um, no....MSRP's haven't changed. What has changed are the prices on firearms by opportunistic, blood-sucking gun dealers.

Bullshit.

The MSRP for a base AR 15 platform was around $900 five years ago, no they are in the $1,800 range.

I'm not sure if you're friends with any firearms dealers but I am and the MSRP has gone up nearly 190% over the past six years. This is way out of the norm for firearms where normally you could expect to see a rise of maybe 20%

No, not bullshit.

I don't know where you're shopping, but a basic AR 15 can still be found for < $800.

You can build one for < $800, too.

You're full of it.

You can get a DPMS or Bushmaster for around $900 with a flat top receiver and no sights.

Sights will run you around $150 depending on what make and model you're getting.


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chadnsc wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
chadnsc wrote:
Don't you mean that he's give manufactures a way to play off peoples bias and fears so they can price gouge the general public in regards to the cost of firearms and ammo?

Um, no....MSRP's haven't changed. What has changed are the prices on firearms by opportunistic, blood-sucking gun dealers.

Bullshit.

The MSRP for a base AR 15 platform was around $900 five years ago, no they are in the $1,800 range.

I'm not sure if you're friends with any firearms dealers but I am and the MSRP has gone up nearly 190% over the past six years. This is way out of the norm for firearms where normally you could expect to see a rise of maybe 20%

No, not bullshit.

I don't know where you're shopping, but a basic AR 15 can still be found for < $800.

You can build one for < $800, too.

You're full of it.

You can get a DPMS or Bushmaster for around $900 with a flat top receiver and no sights.

Sights will run you around $150 depending on what make and model you're getting.

I'm not talking about a DPMS or Bushmaster you sister fucking ignoramus, so
quit it with your lying ass hype and take a look around the Net before you open your cocksucker.


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I'm not talking about a DPMS or Bushmaster you sister fucking ignoramus, so
quit it with your lying ass hype and take a look around the Net before you open your cocksucker.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mahatma Gandhi


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traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
I'm not talking about a DPMS or Bushmaster you sister fucking ignoramus, so
quit it with your lying ass hype and take a look around the Net before you open your cocksucker.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mahatma Gandhi

Go pound sand....I hadn't had my coffee.


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traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
I'm not talking about a DPMS or Bushmaster you sister fucking ignoramus, so
quit it with your lying ass hype and take a look around the Net before you open your cocksucker.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mahatma Gandhi

Getting back on topic...

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446


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pinktricam wrote:
traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
I'm not talking about a DPMS or Bushmaster you sister fucking ignoramus, so
quit it with your lying ass hype and take a look around the Net before you open your cocksucker.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mahatma Gandhi

Go pound sand....I hadn't had my coffee.
An excuse for being a shitty human being if I have ever heard one.


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dr_feelgood wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
traddad wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
I'm not talking about a DPMS or Bushmaster you sister fucking ignoramus, so
quit it with your lying ass hype and take a look around the Net before you open your cocksucker.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mahatma Gandhi

Go pound sand....I hadn't had my coffee.
An excuse for being a shitty human being if I have ever heard one.

What's yours?

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