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scrapedape
Dec 18, 2012, 6:08 AM
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PTC,
In the past, if I recall correctly, you've expressed an openness to some additional gun control. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I think you have mentioned closing the gun show loophole and enforcing laws that are already on the books.
I hear a lot about enforcing the laws that are already on the books, but can you tell us what laws, exactly, are on the books but are being inadequately enforced?
I'm genuinely interested.
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Based on what I just read, it sounds like the Rev. Mike Huckabee's solution to gun violence is to get god back into public schools in a major way. That's right, the religious right is saying that the CT massacre was a consequence of the move to recognize same sex marriage and the general swing toward a more secular world view in the US.
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veganclimber
Dec 18, 2012, 3:57 PM
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gunkiemike wrote: Based on what I just read, it sounds like the Rev. Mike Huckabee's solution to gun violence is to get god back into public schools in a major way. That's right, the religious right is saying that the CT massacre was a consequence of the move to recognize same sex marriage and the general swing toward a more secular world view in the US.
In his defense, he's just remembering those peaceful days when everybody pledged allegiance in school and went to church on Sunday. You know, back when murder rates were almost double what they are now.
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rrrADAM
Dec 19, 2012, 7:35 AM
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Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly.
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traddad
Dec 19, 2012, 9:32 AM
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rrrADAM wrote: Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly.
Pinky doesn't WANT to reduce gun violence. That would make his arsenal obsolete.
...that and he's still waiting on his chance to go all Zimmerman up side someone's head.
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camhead
Dec 19, 2012, 10:28 AM
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veganclimber wrote: gunkiemike wrote: Based on what I just read, it sounds like the Rev. Mike Huckabee's solution to gun violence is to get god back into public schools in a major way. That's right, the religious right is saying that the CT massacre was a consequence of the move to recognize same sex marriage and the general swing toward a more secular world view in the US. In his defense, he's just remembering those peaceful days when everybody pledged allegiance in school and went to church on Sunday. You know, back when murder rates were almost double what they are now.
Well, look at it comparatively: Europe has gradually moved away from God, and are much more secular than the US, and their gun violence rates are, oh, wait, no, nevermind.
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rrrADAM
Dec 19, 2012, 11:25 AM
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camhead wrote: veganclimber wrote: gunkiemike wrote: Based on what I just read, it sounds like the Rev. Mike Huckabee's solution to gun violence is to get god back into public schools in a major way. That's right, the religious right is saying that the CT massacre was a consequence of the move to recognize same sex marriage and the general swing toward a more secular world view in the US. In his defense, he's just remembering those peaceful days when everybody pledged allegiance in school and went to church on Sunday. You know, back when murder rates were almost double what they are now. Well, look at it comparatively: Europe has gradually moved away from God, and are much more secular than the US, and their gun violence rates are, oh, wait, no, nevermind.
Which was also the point I made regarding the Czech Republic, as they have very lax gun laws even compared to us, all citizens can carry concealed if they choose, yet they have very low gun violence... They are also very secular when compared to the US.
It seems that gun-nuts and God often go together, and the results are pretty bad on occasion.
I have noticed that those "Obama loving Godless Liberals" in Connecticut and the North East [as per my many God Fearing Conservatives acquaintances here in the SouthEast during the Election cycle] seem very loving in the face of all this, and even talk about forgiveness of, and not hating, the gunman, where as my God Fearing Conservative friends down here very vocally ooze hate and relish in the fact that he will spend eternity burning and tormented in Hell.
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pinktricam
Dec 19, 2012, 8:47 PM
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rrrADAM wrote: Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly.
Pinkie's busy working in the ED again.....I'll get around to it.
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pinktricam wrote: rrrADAM wrote: Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly. Pinkie's busy working in the ED again.....I'll get around to it.
Erectile Dysfunction? This explains a lot.
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Yeah, this is what most gun-lovers don't get. The same situation without guns-- they would have maybe punched each other.
And this often gets missed in the "guns for defense" arguments. Everyone is picturing " defense" as a " bad-guy-got-into-my-house-and-i-had-to-shoot-him-to-protect-my-babies", while in reality, the defense thing is most often employed when two guys, both with some petty criminal history, get into an argument, one of them shoves the other, and the second guy them pulls out a gun and shoots the first one, because he was attacked by the first guy.
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rrrADAM
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lena_chita wrote: Yeah, this is what most gun-lovers don't get. The same situation without guns-- they would have maybe punched each other. And this often gets missed in the "guns for defense" arguments. Everyone is picturing " defense" as a " bad-guy-got-into-my-house-and-i-had-to-shoot-him-to-protect-my-babies", while in reality, the defense thing is most often employed when two guys, both with some petty criminal history, get into an argument, one of them shoves the other, and the second guy them pulls out a gun and shoots the first one, because he was attacked by the first guy.
Good point...
Punk kids hide behind the teacher when they lack the funds to cover a check they themselves wrote...
Punk adults hide behind guns when they lack the funds to cover a check they themselves wrote.
Seems long gone are the times when two people had a problem with each other, and they met down the road from school, or outside a bar, and settled it... Likely to shake hands at a later date. Now, people get their sensitive egos hurt, and have to get a weappon... To "stand their ground", as without the weapon, they are reduced to "running away".
NOTE - I've been stabbed, on two seperate occasions, 'standing my ground', and still I don't feel the need to cary my gun. The only time I carried my gun was during the LA Riots, when I was working up in LA at night.
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pinktricam wrote: rrrADAM wrote: Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly. Pinkie's busy working in the ED again.....I'll get around to it.
PTC, hope you had a Merry Christmas. You're probably gearing up for a busy new years eve in the ER, but I would still love to hear your perspective on this.
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pinktricam
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scrapedape wrote: pinktricam wrote: rrrADAM wrote: Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly. Pinkie's busy working in the ED again.....I'll get around to it. PTC, hope you had a Merry Christmas. You're probably gearing up for a busy new years eve in the ER, but I would still love to hear your perspective on this.
Thank you, I did have a nice Christmas and New Year. BTW, we don't call it an "ER" anymore on account that there are more rooms than just one. It actually is referred to as the ED now and no, it has nothing to do with traddads "little" problem either.
To begin to answer your query I'd like to just say that we need to start by doing away with these huge high capacity clips, yes these! :
Why, can you just imagine the trauma that would be eliminated?!? I mean, it would save countless individuals the potential of paper cuts each and every day if we'd just revert back to the smaller lower capacity clips we used in the old days!
I remember when I was in the restaurant business and had to prep all those lemon slices before my shift. Can you picture the potential agony from paper cuts that could have been avoided by using smaller capacity clips like that Frankenstein woman is advocating?!? Smaller clips=<paper=<trauma and anguish in this world.
Okay, that's the first step I'd take. I will give this dilemma we face some further consideration and get back to you with more constructive solutions. Because I know that here on this forum we can make a considerable difference towards solving the rampant crazy that's happening.
Looking forward to helping you and you helping me make this world a better place.
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pinktricam wrote: scrapedape wrote: pinktricam wrote: rrrADAM wrote: Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly. Pinkie's busy working in the ED again.....I'll get around to it. PTC, hope you had a Merry Christmas. You're probably gearing up for a busy new years eve in the ER, but I would still love to hear your perspective on this. Thank you, I did have a nice Christmas and New Year. BTW, we don't call it an "ER" anymore on account that there are more rooms than just one. It actually is referred to as the ED now and no, it has nothing to do with traddads "little" problem either. To begin to answer your query I'd like to just say that we need to start by doing away with these huge high capacity clips, yes these! : [img]http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/e/ea/Paperclip-2.jpg/251px-Paperclip-2.jpg[/img] Why, can you just imagine the trauma that would be eliminated?!? I mean, it would save countless individuals the potential of paper cuts each and every day if we'd just revert back to the smaller lower capacity clips we used in the old days! I remember when I was in the restaurant business and had to prep all those lemon slices before my shift. Can you picture the potential agony from paper cuts that could have been avoided by using smaller capacity clips like that Frankenstein woman is advocating?!? Smaller clips=<paper=<trauma and anguish in this world. Okay, that's the first step I'd take. I will give this dilemma we face some further consideration and get back to you with more constructive solutions. Because I know that here on this forum we can make a considerable difference towards solving the rampant crazy that's happening. Looking forward to helping you and you helping me make this world a better place.
So you don't really want to end gun violence.
Unsurprising.
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dr_feelgood wrote: pinktricam wrote: scrapedape wrote: pinktricam wrote: rrrADAM wrote: Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly. Pinkie's busy working in the ED again.....I'll get around to it. PTC, hope you had a Merry Christmas. You're probably gearing up for a busy new years eve in the ER, but I would still love to hear your perspective on this. Thank you, I did have a nice Christmas and New Year. BTW, we don't call it an "ER" anymore on account that there are more rooms than just one. It actually is referred to as the ED now and no, it has nothing to do with traddads "little" problem either. To begin to answer your query I'd like to just say that we need to start by doing away with these huge high capacity clips, yes these! : [img]http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/e/ea/Paperclip-2.jpg/251px-Paperclip-2.jpg[/img] Why, can you just imagine the trauma that would be eliminated?!? I mean, it would save countless individuals the potential of paper cuts each and every day if we'd just revert back to the smaller lower capacity clips we used in the old days! I remember when I was in the restaurant business and had to prep all those lemon slices before my shift. Can you picture the potential agony from paper cuts that could have been avoided by using smaller capacity clips like that Frankenstein woman is advocating?!? Smaller clips=<paper=<trauma and anguish in this world. Okay, that's the first step I'd take. I will give this dilemma we face some further consideration and get back to you with more constructive solutions. Because I know that here on this forum we can make a considerable difference towards solving the rampant crazy that's happening. Looking forward to helping you and you helping me make this world a better place. So you don't really want to end gun violence. Unsurprising.
Kilgore: Smell that? You smell that?
Lance: What?
Kilgore: Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that.
[kneels]
Kilgore: I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like
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Kilgore: victory. Someday this war's gonna end...
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Pinky doesn't want gun violence to end.
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traddad wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: pinktricam wrote: scrapedape wrote: pinktricam wrote: rrrADAM wrote: Curious, well... Not really I guess... pinkie is silent on this, even when asked directly. Pinkie's busy working in the ED again.....I'll get around to it. PTC, hope you had a Merry Christmas. You're probably gearing up for a busy new years eve in the ER, but I would still love to hear your perspective on this. Thank you, I did have a nice Christmas and New Year. BTW, we don't call it an "ER" anymore on account that there are more rooms than just one. It actually is referred to as the ED now and no, it has nothing to do with traddads "little" problem either. To begin to answer your query I'd like to just say that we need to start by doing away with these huge high capacity clips, yes these! : [img]http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/e/ea/Paperclip-2.jpg/251px-Paperclip-2.jpg[/img] Why, can you just imagine the trauma that would be eliminated?!? I mean, it would save countless individuals the potential of paper cuts each and every day if we'd just revert back to the smaller lower capacity clips we used in the old days! I remember when I was in the restaurant business and had to prep all those lemon slices before my shift. Can you picture the potential agony from paper cuts that could have been avoided by using smaller capacity clips like that Frankenstein woman is advocating?!? Smaller clips=<paper=<trauma and anguish in this world. Okay, that's the first step I'd take. I will give this dilemma we face some further consideration and get back to you with more constructive solutions. Because I know that here on this forum we can make a considerable difference towards solving the rampant crazy that's happening. Looking forward to helping you and you helping me make this world a better place. So you don't really want to end gun violence. Unsurprising. Kilgore: Smell that? You smell that? Lance: What? Kilgore: Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. [kneels] Kilgore: I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like [sniffing, pondering] Kilgore: victory. Someday this war's gonna end... [suddenly walks off] Pinky doesn't want gun violence to end.
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The only thing that stops a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun!
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pinktricam
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Yes, that's gonna really work for him. Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
Using a news story like this as an example of how the law actually works is an example of how you are either ignorant, or wilfully obtuse.
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pinktricam wrote: I'll get around to it.
Your lack of ability to add to the conversation combined with your inability to live up to your commitments is unfortunately predictable.
It is a shame. I really wish you were able to add something.
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pinktricam
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I see that patience is not your strong suit.
However, for the record, I'm in complete accord with BOs edict to make background checks mandatory even for private sales. Although, that'll do little to deter criminals from acting like criminals.
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Its a round-about way to force a paper-trail (even though congress passed a law in the 80s specifically to prevent such a thing, because imaginary nazis or something). The vast majority of guns in this country got here legally, were sold legally, and are owned legally. Thus, the vast majority of guns used in crimes started out as legal guns. If you make it so those guns can be tracked, then fewer of them will end up in the hands of would-be criminals.
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It's a bit bizarre though....it's weird that an administration that illegally and purposefully allowed tens of thousands of the very firearms they're currently attempting to push bans on "walk" across the southern border and into the hands of dangerous and violent people is now imposing gun laws by edict...indeed, it's ironic.
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petsfed
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It should tell you something about our gun control laws that its easier to smuggle non-class III firearms *out* of the country than it is to simply ship banned weapons into a corrupt port in Mexico.
If criminals will get guns regardless, then why don't more people commit crimes with class III firearms? Because its still easier to get regular guns through quasi-legal channels than it is to get an AKM (or any number of machine pistols) into the country.
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iknowfear
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pinktricam wrote: It's a bit bizarre though....it's weird that an administration that illegally and purposefully allowed tens of thousands of the very firearms they're currently attempting to push bans on "walk" across the southern border and into the hands of dangerous and violent people is now imposing gun laws by edict...indeed, it's ironic.
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