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I guess this is why the NRA says if you want to be sure, use an American revolver. I like how heavily armed the security task force was.

http://www.cbsnews.com/.../watch/?id=50139318n


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I guess this is why the NRA says if you want to be sure, use an American revolver. I like how heavily armed the security task force was.

http://www.cbsnews.com/.../watch/?id=50139318n
that was fucking eye popping!

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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.


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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.

Don'tcha just fucking love historians? The keepers of the data we SHOULD consult before making decisions...but all too often don't.


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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.

Don'tcha just fucking love historians? The keepers of the data we SHOULD consult before making decisions...but all too often don't.

Awww, I luvz ewe two, Traddie.


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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

Dunno if you're aware, but pellet guns are sometimes called "gas guns", because they use CO2 gas in cartridges for propellant. I've been shot with a pump-action bb-gun (which are underpowered compared to cartridge powered, and bbs are much lighter than pellets, so they slow down a lot more) from about 30 feet, and it hurt like a bitch. A cartridge-gas-powered gun with a proper pellet at that range could've killed him.


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camhead wrote:
Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.

Don'tcha just fucking love historians? The keepers of the data we SHOULD consult before making decisions...but all too often don't.
the onion wrote:
Historians Politely Remind Nation To Check What's Happened In Past Before Making Any Big Decisions
News • Science & Technology • history • ISSUE 47•39 • Sep 28, 2011

WASHINGTON—With the United States facing a daunting array of problems at home and abroad, leading historians courteously reminded the nation Thursday that when making tough choices, it never hurts to stop a moment, take a look at similar situations from the past, and then think about whether the decisions people made back then were good or bad.

According to the historians, by looking at things that have already happened, Americans can learn a lot about which actions made things better versus which actions made things worse, and can then plan their own actions accordingly.

"In the coming weeks and months, people will have to make some really important decisions about some really important issues," Columbia University historian Douglas R. Collins said during a press conference, speaking very slowly and clearly so the nation could follow his words. "And one thing we can do, before making a choice that has permanent consequences for our entire civilization, is check real quick first to see if human beings have ever done anything like it previously, and see if turned out to be a good idea or not."

"It's actually pretty simple: We just have to ask ourselves if people doing the same thing in the past caused something bad to happen," Collins continued. "Did the thing we're thinking of doing make people upset? Did it start a war? If it did, then we might want to think about not doing it."

In addition, Collins carefully explained that if a past decision proved to be favorable—if, for example, it led to increased employment, caused fewer deaths, or made lots of people feel good inside— then the nation should consider following through with the same decision now.

While the new strategy, known as "Look Back Before You Act," has raised concerns among people worried they will have to remember lots of events from long ago, the historians have assured Americans they won't be required to read all the way through thick books or memorize anything.

Instead, citizens have been told they can just find a large-print, illustrated timeline of historical events, place their finger on an important moment, and then look to the right of that point to see what happened afterward, paying especially close attention to whether things got worse or better.

"You know how the economy is not doing so well right now?" Professor Elizabeth Schuller of the University of North Carolina said. "Well, in the 1930s, financial markets—no, wait, I'm sorry. Here: A long, long time ago, way far in the past, certain things happened that were a lot like things now, and they made people hungry and sad."

"How do you feel when you're hungry? Doesn't feel good, does it?" Schuller added. "So, maybe we should avoid doing those things that caused people to feel that way, don't you think?"

Concluding their address, the panel of scholars provided a number of guidelines to help implement the strategy, reminding the nation that the biggest decisions required the most looking back, and stressing the importance of checking the past before one makes a decision, not afterward, when the decision has already been made.

While many citizens have expressed skepticism of the historians' assertions, the majority of Americans have reportedly grasped the concept of noticing bad things from earlier times and trying not to repeat them.

"I get it. If we do something bad that happened before, then the same bad thing could happen again," said Barb Ennis, 48, of Pawtucket, RI. "We don't want history to happen again, unless the thing that happened was good."

"When you think about it, a lot of things have happened already," Ennis added. "That's what history is."

In Washington, several elected officials praised the looking-back-first strategy as a helpful, practical tool with the potential to revolutionize government.

"The things the historians were saying seemed complicated at first, but now it makes sense to me," said Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), who reversed his opposition to oil-drilling safety regulations after checking past events and finding a number of "very, very sad things [he] didn't like." "I just wished they'd told us about this trick before."

http://www.theonion.com/...check-whats-h,26183/


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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.

Meh...more impressive was the attempted assassination on TR. He actually caught a bullet, yet after the incident, managed to speak for 80 minutes during his presidential bid while running on the Bull Moose ticket n 1912.


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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.

out of curiosity, did pistols back then misfire more often? and if so, how much more likely would it have been than compared to today?


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also, how'd this end up in soap box? seriously?


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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.

out of curiosity, did pistols back then misfire more often? and if so, how much more likely would it have been than compared to today?

Guns misfired more then than now, obviously, since this was before enclosed cartridges. I am actually not sure what the firing mechanism for those pistols was, though. A bit of googling tells me that 1825 saw the advent of percussion caps, which were much more reliable than the older flintlock, powder-pan mechanism.

All accounts that I've read of the incident, however, say that the odds of both guns misfiring are around 1 in 100,000, though. I guess that there must be a god, and he REALLY hated Cherokees, or something like that.


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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.

out of curiosity, did pistols back then misfire more often? and if so, how much more likely would it have been than compared to today?

Guns misfired more then than now, obviously, since this was before enclosed cartridges. I am actually not sure what the firing mechanism for those pistols was, though. A bit of googling tells me that 1825 saw the advent of percussion caps, which were much more reliable than the older flintlock, powder-pan mechanism.

All accounts that I've read of the incident, however, say that the odds of both guns misfiring are around 1 in 100,000, though. I guess that there must be a god, and he REALLY hated Cherokees, or something like that.

I bet Lincoln, Kennedy, Garfield, and Denali all look at him in the afterlife and think, "does he have to always keep walking around with his hand on his sack and his chin up like that?"


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
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Whoa, I didn't know that it was a gas pistol; I guess the attacker just wanted to make a point, rather than kill the guy. Still, shows some lax security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...n/20/bulgaria-turkey

Historical fun fact: a similar thing happened to Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. A guy walked up to him at an event, pulled TWO guns on him, and both of them misfired. The chances of them both misfiring were astronomical. Anyway, 68 year old Jackson beat the guy down with his cane.

out of curiosity, did pistols back then misfire more often? and if so, how much more likely would it have been than compared to today?

Guns misfired more then than now, obviously, since this was before enclosed cartridges. I am actually not sure what the firing mechanism for those pistols was, though. A bit of googling tells me that 1825 saw the advent of percussion caps, which were much more reliable than the older flintlock, powder-pan mechanism.

All accounts that I've read of the incident, however, say that the odds of both guns misfiring are around 1 in 100,000, though. I guess that there must be a god, and he REALLY hated Cherokees, or something like that.

I bet Lincoln, Kennedy, Garfield, and Denali all look at him in the afterlife and think, "does he have to always keep walking around with his hand on his sack and his chin up like that?"

Heh, yeah. And Denali, I like that.


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Attempted murder w/ gas pistol. Or just a joke?

Seriously, NAiVe?!?!?!? You honestly think in some way that could have been a "joke"?


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Seriously, NAiVe?!?!?!? You honestly think in some way that could have been a "joke"?


actually, apparently there's a fair amount of people who think it could very well have been staged, with not everyone in attendance knowing about it.


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Attempted murder w/ gas pistol. Or just a joke?

Seriously, NAiVe?!?!?!? You honestly think in some way that could have been a "joke"?


actually, apparently there's a fair amount of people who think it could very well have been staged, with not everyone in attendance knowing about it.

Yeah, I think that "staged protest" more aptly describes it than "haha, it's a joke!" though. poor wording on the op's part.


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Attempted murder w/ gas pistol. Or just a joke?

Seriously, NAiVe?!?!?!? You honestly think in some way that could have been a "joke"?


actually, apparently there's a fair amount of people who think it could very well have been staged, with not everyone in attendance knowing about it.

Yeah, I think that "staged protest" more aptly describes it than "haha, it's a joke!" though. poor wording on the op's part.

I really don't think he meant "ha ha" when he used the word "joke."


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Seriously, NAiVe?!?!?!? You honestly think in some way that could have been a "joke"?
Some do. Some say it is staged. I would call a staged act an elaborate joke. But personally I think it is BS, I dont think it is staged, I think the assassin wanted to cause injury.


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Seriously, NAiVe?!?!?!? You honestly think in some way that could have been a "joke"?
Some do. Some say it is staged. I would call a staged act an elaborate joke. But personally I think it is BS, I dont think it is staged, I think the assassin wanted to cause injury.

He intended to shoot a guy in the temple at point blank range. Wanted to cause injury is putting it lightly.

The gunman's face when the gun doesn't go off makes me think things didn't go according to plan for him. Also, if merely a protest, why carry 2 knives too?


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