|
|
|
|
pinktricam
Feb 1, 2013, 6:27 AM
Post #26 of 72
(608 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 8, 2003
Posts: 7947
|
iknowfear wrote: pinktricam wrote: It's a bit bizarre though....it's weird that an administration that illegally and purposefully allowed tens of thousands of the very firearms they're currently attempting to push bans on "walk" across the southern border and into the hands of dangerous and violent people is now imposing gun laws by edict...indeed, it's ironic.
Pretty cool interactive site. Did you see Chicago's death by gun since Sandy hook count? Holy moly! And that's with some of the strictest gun laws in the nation! Curiously enough, most of those victims will be voting in the next general election.
Anyway, next Thursday, I'm going to an interesting event scheduled here in my neck of the woods. The speakers lined up appear to be an eclectic bunch representing both sides of the debate and I'm really looking forward to attending on the one day of an otherwise six days in a row I'm scheduled to work: http://www.scpaflorida.com/...-public-safety-forum
|
|
|
|
|
atg200
Feb 1, 2013, 7:36 AM
Post #27 of 72
(600 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jul 27, 2001
Posts: 4314
|
Having strict gun laws helps, but it certainly isn't a panacea if there are places without strict gun laws next door.
|
|
|
|
|
petsfed
Feb 1, 2013, 10:15 AM
Post #28 of 72
(580 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 24, 2002
Posts: 8571
|
atg200 wrote: Having strict gun laws helps, but it certainly isn't a panacea if there are places without strict gun laws next door.
THIS. Sweet Jesus THIS.
Gun laws aren't going to make a damn of difference in the first year or even decade. There's an awful lot of guns out there, and it will take a while for that to drain out. But the problem is the gun culture, and we're not going to change that if we keep insisting that mental issues only get flagged on a background check after you've already flipped out and been arrested.
I don't disagree that the only way to stop a mass murderer with a gun is somebody else with a gun. The issue is preventing a person from becoming a mass murderer in the first place. The "threat" of other people with guns just guarantees that the would-be mass murderer doesn't have to be strong enough to kill themselves after the fact. Since the plan often entails suicide-by-cop, if anything, we're making it easier on these nuts.
|
|
|
|
|
pinktricam
Feb 1, 2013, 3:41 PM
Post #29 of 72
(565 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 8, 2003
Posts: 7947
|
How do you define "gun culture"?
|
|
|
|
|
curt
Feb 1, 2013, 4:10 PM
Post #30 of 72
(560 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Aug 26, 2002
Posts: 18043
|
pinktricam wrote: How do you define "gun culture"?
Crazy people who think the 2nd amendment is the only part of the Constitution that matters.
Curt
|
|
|
|
|
david_g48
Feb 1, 2013, 4:53 PM
Post #31 of 72
(552 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Nov 19, 2005
Posts: 51
|
curt wrote: pinktricam wrote: How do you define "gun culture"? Crazy people who think the 2nd amendment is the only part of the Constitution that matters. Curt
Sorry Curt I couldn't resist.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
curt
Feb 1, 2013, 6:41 PM
Post #33 of 72
(535 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Aug 26, 2002
Posts: 18043
|
pinktricam wrote: Now here's an astute individual as well as one representing a more personal and informed viewpoint than curt's predictable knee-jerk response!
Translation: "Here is someone who agrees with me."
Curt
|
|
|
|
|
petsfed
Feb 1, 2013, 9:00 PM
Post #34 of 72
(520 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 24, 2002
Posts: 8571
|
pinktricam wrote: How do you define "gun culture"?
The movement within our culture that idolizes and reveres guns. If its just a tool, why aren't there entire video game genres that fetishize hammers?
While I disagree with the appropriate response to it, I agree that the sheer volume of violent, gun-heavy media is symptomatic of a greater problem. We've got gang bangers and accountants alike coming strapped. We, as a culture, have convinced ourselves that guns are status symbols, virility enhancers, accessories. Its like car culture, except that the killing power of a car is incidental to its symbolic role. The gun derives all of its symbolic power from its killing power.
|
|
|
|
|
pinktricam
Feb 4, 2013, 6:02 PM
Post #35 of 72
(475 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 8, 2003
Posts: 7947
|
curt wrote: pinktricam wrote: Now here's an astute individual as well as one representing a more personal and informed viewpoint than curt's predictable knee-jerk response! Translation: "Here is someone who agrees with me." Curt
Face it curt, you really don't rank in "astute." Not on this subject, nor on the Constitution.
Here's yet another individual I agree with. A Sandy Hook dad, nonetheless...
https://www.youtube.com/...youtube_gdata_player
|
|
|
|
|
curt
Feb 4, 2013, 8:36 PM
Post #36 of 72
(462 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Aug 26, 2002
Posts: 18043
|
pinktricam wrote: curt wrote: pinktricam wrote: Now here's an astute individual as well as one representing a more personal and informed viewpoint than curt's predictable knee-jerk response! Translation: "Here is someone who agrees with me." Curt Face it curt, you really don't rank in "astute."
Pinky--our own little Dunning Kruger poster boy.
Curt
|
|
|
|
|
dr_feelgood
Feb 4, 2013, 9:01 PM
Post #37 of 72
(455 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 6, 2004
Posts: 25313
|
curt wrote: pinktricam wrote: curt wrote: pinktricam wrote: Now here's an astute individual as well as one representing a more personal and informed viewpoint than curt's predictable knee-jerk response! Translation: "Here is someone who agrees with me." Curt Face it curt, you really don't rank in "astute." Pinky--our own little Dunning Kruger poster boy. Curt
|
|
|
|
|
pinktricam
Feb 4, 2013, 9:05 PM
Post #38 of 72
(454 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 8, 2003
Posts: 7947
|
*snap*
Oh wait, your menses...err, mensa, right?!?
(This post was edited by pinktricam on Feb 4, 2013, 9:15 PM)
|
|
|
|
|
macherry
Feb 5, 2013, 6:49 AM
Post #39 of 72
(432 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 10, 2003
Posts: 15520
|
pinktricam wrote: *snap* Oh wait, your menses...err, mensa, right?!?
really?
|
|
|
|
|
camhead
Feb 5, 2013, 7:16 AM
Post #40 of 72
(430 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Sep 9, 2001
Posts: 20401
|
macherry wrote: pinktricam wrote: *snap* Oh wait, your menses...err, mensa, right?!? really?
HAHAHAHAHA! You compared him to a woman! That was insulting! Vaginas are icky, frightening, and sometimes ooze blood, so that confuse me! Hey Curt, you're like a lowdown, weak, bleeding, slutty, undesirable, WOMAN!
pwned.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
curt
Feb 5, 2013, 11:10 AM
Post #42 of 72
(413 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Aug 26, 2002
Posts: 18043
|
camhead wrote: macherry wrote: pinktricam wrote: *snap* Oh wait, your menses...err, mensa, right?!? really? HAHAHAHAHA! You compared him to a woman! That was insulting! Vaginas are icky, frightening, and sometimes ooze blood, so that confuse me! Hey Curt, you're like a lowdown, weak, bleeding, slutty, undesirable, WOMAN! pwned.
The ultraconservative nut-case world that pinky lives in is interesting in that intelligence is not only unvalued, it's actually contemptible.
Curt
|
|
|
|
|
pinktricam
Feb 5, 2013, 11:27 AM
Post #43 of 72
(405 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 8, 2003
Posts: 7947
|
petsfed wrote: pinktricam wrote: How do you define "gun culture"? The movement within our culture that idolizes and reveres guns. If its just a tool, why aren't there entire video game genres that fetishize hammers?
What, you don't remember this classic?!?
|
|
|
|
|
pinktricam
Feb 5, 2013, 11:30 AM
Post #44 of 72
(402 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 8, 2003
Posts: 7947
|
curt wrote: camhead wrote: macherry wrote: pinktricam wrote: *snap* Oh wait, your menses...err, mensa, right?!? really? HAHAHAHAHA! You compared him to a woman! That was insulting! Vaginas are icky, frightening, and sometimes ooze blood, so that confuse me! Hey Curt, you're like a lowdown, weak, bleeding, slutty, undesirable, WOMAN! pwned. The ultraconservative nut-case world that pinky lives in is interesting in that intelligence is not only unvalued, it's actually contemptible. Curt
You have to actually have some in order to be found contemptible of it.
|
|
|
|
|
veganclimber
Feb 5, 2013, 11:36 AM
Post #45 of 72
(400 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 17, 2005
Posts: 2773
|
I like the part about how wonderful the vast majority gun owners are, and how we should focus on the small percentage of nutbags that show dangerous, murderous intent. How many times do you have to be investigated by the Secret Service before you fall into that category?
By the way, just how long does Ted have until he's either dead or in prison? Did that clock start when he made those comments, on election night, or when Obama was sworn in?
|
|
|
|
|
pinktricam
Feb 5, 2013, 12:22 PM
Post #46 of 72
(392 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 8, 2003
Posts: 7947
|
veganclimber wrote: I like the part about how wonderful the vast majority gun owners are, and how we should focus on the small percentage of nutbags that show dangerous, murderous intent. How many times do you have to be investigated by the Secret Service before you fall into that category? By the way, just how long does Ted have until he's either dead or in prison? Did that clock start when he made those comments, on election night, or when Obama was sworn in?
So, this is what it may come down to when criticizing the current administration, a "knock on your door," or worse?
|
|
|
|
|
dr_feelgood
Feb 5, 2013, 12:42 PM
Post #47 of 72
(385 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Apr 6, 2004
Posts: 25313
|
pinktricam wrote: veganclimber wrote: I like the part about how wonderful the vast majority gun owners are, and how we should focus on the small percentage of nutbags that show dangerous, murderous intent. How many times do you have to be investigated by the Secret Service before you fall into that category? By the way, just how long does Ted have until he's either dead or in prison? Did that clock start when he made those comments, on election night, or when Obama was sworn in? So, this is what it may come down to when criticizing the current administration, a "knock on your door," or worse?
|
|
|
|
|
pinktricam
Feb 5, 2013, 1:57 PM
Post #48 of 72
(372 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Jan 8, 2003
Posts: 7947
|
Read this amusing bit today:"The White House has released a photo of Obama shooting a gun, warning people not to Photoshop it. Conservatives are like hey, it's already been Photoshopped -- by adding a gun." -Jodi Miller
|
|
|
|
|
veganclimber
Feb 5, 2013, 3:16 PM
Post #49 of 72
(354 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Mar 17, 2005
Posts: 2773
|
pinktricam wrote: Read this amusing bit today:"The White House has released a photo of Obama shooting a gun, warning people not to Photoshop it. Conservatives are like hey, it's already been Photoshopped -- by adding a gun." -Jodi Miller
So you can't even accept reality when you have photographic evidence right in front of you. Why am I not surprised.
|
|
|
|
|
curt
Feb 5, 2013, 6:13 PM
Post #50 of 72
(335 views)
Shortcut
Registered: Aug 26, 2002
Posts: 18043
|
veganclimber wrote: pinktricam wrote: Read this amusing bit today:"The White House has released a photo of Obama shooting a gun, warning people not to Photoshop it. Conservatives are like hey, it's already been Photoshopped -- by adding a gun." -Jodi Miller So you can't even accept reality when you have photographic evidence right in front of you. Why am I not surprised.
Conservatives consistently reject reality.
Curt
|
|
|
|
|
|
