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JenningsN


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Can I make a quick draw with two carabiners and some webbing tied up in a water knot? Is there any limitation on the length of webbing or the types of carabiners that I should use?


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JenningsN wrote:
Can I make a quick draw with two carabiners and some webbing tied up in a water knot? Is there any limitation on the length of webbing or the types of carabiners that I should use?

Yes, you can make draws with tied webbing, but there are better options.

No, there is no theoretical limit to the length, although there is a practical limit.

No, there is no limit to the type of carabiner you could use, although some are better suited than others.

My very first set of draws in the mid-90's were tied 9/16" webbing with BD ovals and Light D's. They worked at the time, but getting a standard set of draws and augmenting with long slings as needed is the better way to go.


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Can I make a quick draw with two carabiners and some webbing tied up in a water knot? Is there any limitation on the length of webbing or the types of carabiners that I should use?
You're joking, right?


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JenningsN wrote:
Can I make a quick draw with two carabiners and some webbing tied up in a water knot? Is there any limitation on the length of webbing or the types of carabiners that I should use?

It can work, but be sure you leave extra tail on your water knot and check it regularly to make sure nothing comes undone on you :)

If you're trying to save money though, buying 2 biners is about a dollar cheaper than getting the equivalent QuickDraw.


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acorneau wrote:
My very first set of draws in the mid-90's were tied 9/16" webbing with BD ovals and Light D's. They worked at the time, but getting a standard set of draws and augmenting with long slings as needed is the better way to go.

What do you mean by augmenting with webbing? Quick draws all come in some standard size (corrrect?), but if you needed it to be way longer. Would you have the webbing loop purchased or make your own with a water knot?


acorneau


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JenningsN wrote:
What do you mean by augmenting with webbing? Quick draws all come in some standard size (corrrect?), but if you needed it to be way longer. Would you have the webbing loop purchased or make your own with a water knot?

No, they're not all the same length. You can get dogbones 3" long or 12" long and almost any length in between.

Metolius also has their "long draws" which come in 12", 16", and 20" lengths.

If you have quickdraws with 6" dogbones you can easiely make a few longer ones with standard 24" or 48" open slings, also known as "trad draws".


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if you really want to do this use a double fishermans knot instead


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You CAN make your own of course - however I found it's hardly worth it when one considers what you can buy already-made bar tacked BD quick draws for made out of nylon. These don't have bulky knots like homemade ones to get in they way of rigging, etc.

Prob cost you about the same to buy the webbing and make your own versus the already made BD quick draws honestly (or pretty close) that rack much better and cleaner.


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marc801


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redlude97 wrote:
if you really want to do this use a double fishermans knot instead
Too bulky for webbing - the water knot is fine.


mju6559


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marc801 wrote:
redlude97 wrote:
if you really want to do this use a double fishermans knot instead
Too bulky for webbing - the water knot is fine.

I use the water knot as well. Much smoother and cleaner.


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marc801 wrote:
redlude97 wrote:
if you really want to do this use a double fishermans knot instead
Too bulky for webbing - the water knot is fine.
doesnt slip though, so you don't have to check 20 knots every time. Not that bulky for sport draws either. Still, premade dogbones are best


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redlude97 wrote:
doesnt slip though, so you don't have to check 20 knots every time. Not that bulky for sport draws either. Still, premade dogbones are best

If I really wanted to tie my own slings I'd use a "beer knot". No slippage, less bulk.

Still, as I said before, there are better options out there.


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