Is there a different term for sport climbing when the quickdraws have already been placed on the first lead? (Similar to how finishing the climbs is considered a redpoint and a pinkpoint, respectively)

Or maybe I'm missing some terminology understand here, help me out :)

Thanks guys!

Climbing with the draws already hung was originally called a pink-point...but this term is largely gone the way of the dinosaur, and the few that still use the term are headed that way soon.

I always thought a pink point was climbing a gear route with the gear pre-placed. That would make a lot more difference than pre-hung draws on a sport route.

That is also correct, but in the context of sport climbing, back in the day, pink point was also used to denote pre-hung draws. Today, most people realize that since you didn't place the bolt on lead, it makes no difference if the draw is pre-hung or not.

Actually, no. Most short climbers know it often *does* make a difference whether the bolts are clipped or not. It's simply that a redpoint has been re-defined to include the (optimal length) draws as part of the "fixed" gear.

GO

Actually, no. Most short climbers know it often *does* make a difference whether the bolts are clipped or not. It's simply that a redpoint has been re-defined to include the (optimal length) draws as part of the "fixed" gear.

Of course, I'm not all that into the grading's either, some folks are, I climb cause it's fun!

Actually, no. Most short climbers know it often *does* make a difference whether the bolts are clipped or not. It's simply that a redpoint has been re-defined to include the (optimal length) draws as part of the "fixed" gear.

GO

I'll bite...

i will say it is pretty annoying to hear people talk about whether a route is a 5.10 a/b/c/d ...climb the fvcking thing or don't, the grades are good to a point, but are pretty subjective IMO... some moves are easier to some people and more difficult to others

You don't get consensus unless you talk about grades.

Whenever did talking about a grade lead to consensus?

Whenever did talking about a grade lead to consensus?

When? On every FA I've ever done, and also on lots of climbs where I've been an early ascent on FA's that friends of mine have done.

GO

When? On every FA I've ever done, and also on lots of climbs where I've been an early ascent on FA's that friends of mine have done.

GO

So if I go and climb all your routes, I'm going to agree on every rating?

So if I go and climb all your routes, I'm going to agree on every rating?

Is there a different term for sport climbing when the quickdraws have already been placed on the first lead? (Similar to how finishing the climbs is considered a redpoint and a pinkpoint, respectively)

Or maybe I'm missing some terminology understand here, help me out :)

Thanks guys!

Not to ruin the fun, but I'm going to address the OP.

Historically, "red point" came into use in the 1970's to denote that an already established aid climb could be climbed free. In the 1980's it came to represent that someone had climbed a route after multiple attempts (and hanging).

I read somewhere (and I'm trying to find the source) that the term "pink point" was first used in jest for someone who climbed a route with pre-placed gear or quickdraws. For a while in the late 1980's (maybe even in the 1990's), magazine used this distinction.

But with 5.14+ and 5.15 climbing becoming more and more common (relative to 20 years ago), pre-placed draws are becoming more and more common. The magazines stopped making the "red point" versus "pink point" distinction. On gear routes, its simply stated today that it was climbed on pre-placed gear.