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Rankin
Jun 24, 2013, 7:05 PM
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Hey Guys, Just another reason to be very very very careful IF buying ANY used gear. I just bought a used harness from ebay, for a backup, was nearly new and in great condition. One very BAD problem, it had apparently been taken apart and reassembled or maybe just really tangled up sometime. The problem was that the leg loops were replaced BACKWARDS and UPSIDE DOWN, seemingly not a big deal to the newby,,,, BUT this put 100% of the leg load on the little flimsy centering strap, not the load rated strap for the leg loops!!!!!! I fixed it in a few seconds but someone not experienced may have easily overlooked that rigging.
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marc801
Jun 24, 2013, 7:37 PM
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Rankin wrote: Hey Guys, Just another reason to be very very very careful IF buying ANY used gear. I just bought a used harness from ebay, for a backup, was nearly new and in great condition. One very BAD problem, it had apparently been taken apart and reassembled or maybe just really tangled up sometime. The problem was that the leg loops were replaced BACKWARDS and UPSIDE DOWN, seemingly not a big deal to the newby,,,, BUT this put 100% of the leg load on the little flimsy centering strap, not the load rated strap for the leg loops!!!!!! I fixed it in a few seconds but someone not experienced may have easily overlooked that rigging.
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dagibbs
Jun 24, 2013, 7:53 PM
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Hunh?
Harnesses should not be able to be dis-assembled and re-assembled without unstitching then re-stitching.
They can, and do, often get tangled/twisted up. I thought it was fairly normal, and expected, that one would carefully untangle/untwist one's harness to make sure it was correctly worn each time one went to wear it.
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billcoe_
Jun 24, 2013, 8:18 PM
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Who buys harness's off ebay? Jesus. Last one I bought was eaten through at the leg loops about 1/2 way. Really. Misty Mt Cirque. The 2 before that (Misty Mt Cadillac and a Metolius Waldo) were fine. I'm pretty careful where I go play with that last one. Think people, think. Jesus.
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Rankin
Jun 24, 2013, 8:28 PM
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The only way it can happen is to unclip back hangers and pull one leg through the belay loop,,,,,,,,,, that's exactly how I fixed it.
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csproul
Jun 24, 2013, 10:19 PM
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dagibbs wrote: Hunh? Harnesses should not be able to be dis-assembled and re-assembled without unstitching then re-stitching. They can, and do, often get tangled/twisted up. I thought it was fairly normal, and expected, that one would carefully untangle/untwist one's harness to make sure it was correctly worn each time one went to wear it.
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MrEction
Jun 25, 2013, 12:07 PM
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I think this is (or should be) common practice when buying ANYTHING off Ebay. You never know what you're going to get, and even if you feel comfortable that what you're getting is decent there is always a chance your getting played.
I just got my first harness off Ebay, and it it came with the leg loops the same way. First thing I did when it arrived was try it on, and go over it with a fine tooth comb. Fixed the leg loops pretty easily, and didn't think twice about it.
If you're new enough to climbing that you wouldn't notice and fix something like that with a harness... You probably shouldn't be buying one without supervision anyway.
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dagibbs
Jun 25, 2013, 4:51 PM
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csproul wrote: dagibbs wrote: Hunh? Harnesses should not be able to be dis-assembled and re-assembled without unstitching then re-stitching. They can, and do, often get tangled/twisted up. I thought it was fairly normal, and expected, that one would carefully untangle/untwist one's harness to make sure it was correctly worn each time one went to wear it. Wrong. I own two harnesses in which the leg loops can be completely removed, and could be re-attached upside down.
Ok. Any ones I've looked at haven't looked like they could, but it may be that I haven't looked at them closely enough.
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rocknice2
Jun 26, 2013, 10:45 PM
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billcoe_ wrote: Who buys harness's off ebay? Jesus. Last one I bought was eaten through at the leg loops about 1/2 way. Really. Misty Mt Cirque. The 2 before that (Misty Mt Cadillac and a Metolius Waldo) were fine. I'm pretty careful where I go play with that last one. Think people, think. Jesus.
Your actually using that harness. Jesus
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billcoe_
Jun 28, 2013, 2:38 AM
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rocknice2 wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Who buys harness's off ebay? Jesus. Last one I bought was eaten through at the leg loops about 1/2 way. Really. Misty Mt Cirque. The 2 before that (Misty Mt Cadillac and a Metolius Waldo) were fine. I'm pretty careful where I go play with that last one. Think people, think. Jesus. Your actually using that harness. Jesus
I don't climb anything too serious with it. Anything long (Epinephrine, Crest jewel via Arches) or in the outback (Jimmies, Coethedral) I go with a solid harness.
gym climbing...meh. Good to go.
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marc801
Jun 28, 2013, 5:49 AM
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billcoe_ wrote: rocknice2 wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Who buys harness's off ebay? Jesus. Last one I bought was eaten through at the leg loops about 1/2 way. Really. Misty Mt Cirque. The 2 before that (Misty Mt Cadillac and a Metolius Waldo) were fine. I'm pretty careful where I go play with that last one. Think people, think. Jesus. Your actually using that harness. Jesus I don't climb anything too serious with it. Anything long (Epinephrine, Crest jewel via Arches) or in the outback (Jimmies, Coethedral) I go with a solid harness. gym climbing...meh. Good to go.
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majid_sabet
Jun 28, 2013, 6:49 AM
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I bought at least over 10 harnesses from ebay and never had any issues. you need to know when they were made and most people who sale harnesses and shoes on ebay are one time climber who wanted to try things up and gave up the next month.
Now if seller is selling old cams and draws and he has a harness for sale then I'll stay away from his auction.Always look to see what other item seller is selling. if he has too many other climbing stuff for sale and they all have millage on them then he is upgrading his gear and he wants you to buy his junk.Either that or he just had a baby.
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rocknice2
Jun 28, 2013, 12:43 PM
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billcoe_ wrote: rocknice2 wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Who buys harness's off ebay? Jesus. Last one I bought was eaten through at the leg loops about 1/2 way. Really. Misty Mt Cirque. The 2 before that (Misty Mt Cadillac and a Metolius Waldo) were fine. I'm pretty careful where I go play with that last one. Think people, think. Jesus. Your actually using that harness. Jesus I don't climb anything too serious with it. Anything long (Epinephrine, Crest jewel via Arches) or in the outback (Jimmies, Coethedral) I go with a solid harness. gym climbing...meh. Good to go.
Gotcha. Perfect for bouldering at the gym.
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marc801
Jul 9, 2013, 11:14 PM
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billcoe_ wrote: marc801 wrote: If serious, this is nothing short of idiotic reasoning. Yup, totally serious. Thanks for the heads up. Why is it idiotic?
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billcoe_
Aug 19, 2013, 5:33 PM
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marc801 wrote: When you're a couple hundred feet off the deck, the harness doesn't know if it's a serious or merely casual route. If it's going to fail, the route difficultly or length is irrelevant. If that is the basis of your decision making process about whether to use the harness or not, that is the idiotic reasoning.
I suppose idiotic would presuppose how you see the harness failing.
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