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Rokjox


Aug 19, 2013, 9:23 AM
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Has Supertopo died, Finally?
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Looks like I can't find the server in the wonderful wilderness of greater Metro San Francisco. I had not expected ST to ever die of lack of money, so I imagine they paid their bills. However its been several hours so far since I noticed its being Offline.

If I have any luck at all, they have been reported to Anonymous and have been taken off the internet for the crimes against the republic and its principles of internet (and national) freedom and decency that is not shared by the ST management.


I fully expect they will get the doghouse back online.

But thats too bad in its way, They portray themselves as "running the wildest forum for the wild-wild west" or some such fanciful tripe, yet are intellectually dishonest as only a very few caredfully scripted writers are allowed to post up anything but the most stupid and foolish politically correct propaganda. You'd think Ignorant B. S. was a degree from a Cali University.

Their wild-wild west forum is as tame as the California theme parks and about as deep as the upper Merced. Disneyland claims to have a wild-wild west exhibit too. .burly as anything ST has offered in years. The forum is under the control of fallen climbers now. They can (some of them) climb over 5.8 but thats about it and frankly, they ain't the caliber I grew used to. They are the very epitome of wankers, all worried about people getting their feelings hurt or some shithead who verily deserves being condemned might actually hear a discouraging word. Emotionally cowards, willing to risk their lives (or especially others lives), but not ever risk shedding a tear.

ST jumped the shark, even as a vehicle for promoting sales of greatly overwritten guides to a Federal Park. Due to his role in an illegal event, a violation of Park rules that led directly to the death of a young woman, he was "banned" for a while, but thats a handslap where proximate causes of death are involved. These guys aren't delicate or especially perfect nice either, someone should have been arrested and jailed in a Federal facility, not banned from the park. Leading another to their death while encouraging them to violate existing law on the way appears to be manslaughter at least.

And I really don't like the Supertopo guides, they are hugely overwritten and are a form of cheating to my eye. Of course, I never expect Cali trust-funders and fatcats to understand how leaving mystery intact and allowing the mountain a chance could ever be good for climbing.

Darn I miss Bachar. Chickenshit forever-aid climbers and "sport" climbers have overwhelmed the decent and honorable game in my sport, sport climbing and wall-rat camping hold the glamour.



Really, this is how I see the last 15 years. A very few brilliant skyrockets launched out of the mud that climbing has been driven into by hacks and commercialized interests who dominate now with a screaming chorus of fanboys who fail to see their mediocracy. I see few guys out in the field with any courage doing the big leads and a lot of whiners with mechanized bolt drills demanding heir right to drill the face of one more unmemorable big-wall or sport route somewhere where the rich kids can be made to feel important. Preferably someplace where servants can be gotten cheap near a resort with good 4G service.

F'em'all. Lets hear from those who climb alone or with a small group and who try and avoid the paparazzi surrounding the self-promoted, self-financed globe-trotting pretenders who claim to be the leadership of this sport.

I rather talk with guys that refuse to name new routes, publish route lists or "claim" FA's. I know they exist, I read about a guy in Southern Arizona who doesn't self-promote, there has got to be others. People who make gear for their own use, don't join the local SAR, Don't idolize 20 foot 5.13's and think about the wasted money spent when they see climbing magazines full of wealthy guys travelling tens of thousands of miles pursuing bolders rediculously far away.


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caughtinside


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Forum seems up and working fine.

Nice rant.


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Glad you approve. I wonder if it will ever lead inthe direction I would like to see a conversation drift?

I am taking the long view, this forum has a crawl rate much lower than the other place, I expect to have it evolve over days and weeks instead of blowing apart in 30 minutes.



I am looking for a very few actual 1% 'ers anyway. I really don't expect much from trustafaries and the other hard core Kalies. This forum has a wider intended audience, not just the So-cal metasexuals. Certain responces need longer response and compose time than the ST attention span encourages.

(Oh, no insult to faries, Tinkerbell was standup.)

Time to go fix a sewer connection my tenant has plugged up. An old man has to deal with his responsibilities.


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Aug 21, 2013, 4:58 AM
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Rokjox wrote:
Glad you approve. I wonder if it will ever lead inthe direction I would like to see a conversation drift?

Death by a thousand crickets?


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Aug 21, 2013, 10:05 AM
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Alright, I reworded the first post and tried to better focus a pretty unfocused dissatisfaction I am trying to express. I will bring back any deleted thoughts later if I can get a topic going that could point to a better way for our shared sports future interests. I really think climbing is about to be badly busted internally and the inevitable reaction will bust it in other ways external to our "community". There has got to be a better way than what climbing has been twisted into and hopefully can be decommercialized somewhat. A lot of what has come about has not been optimal to my eye.

I also dislike the concatenation of climbing with BASE, it is a trip for the people involved of course, but the two sports multiply risk when pursued together and climbing loses respect in the trade as BASE injuries become associated with climbers. We got enough problems without being mistaken for them guys.

Climbers need to be perceived in the future as reasonable and lawful users of the resources we share, not as sneaks and scofflaws. Almost no place in the US is it legal to BASE jump, much less Terrain Track or pop little balloons stuck on poles a few feet off the ground. Shooting through natural arches and bridges? That is dead stupid shit and climbing needs no association with that.

Supertopo is in the end, a trap for climbers. It is counterproductive to our interests as a group and dominated by a group very much different demographically than I ever imagined when I first logged on 8 years ago?

I think the majority of the posters are actually over 55, at work and are mostly uniformed employees who in some way make (or used to make) a living off of servicing, selling, rescuing or herding tourists and climbers around the recreational lands and waters of the planet.

They some climb, but most of them have a financial interest or a control issue, they are not primarily recreational climbers, which is why recreational climbers get so slammed when asking recreational climber kind of questions.

The demographics at Quantcast seem so support my thoughts on the actual structure of the new Supertopo population. they underwent a coup about a couple years ago, and few noticed. The average age skyrocketed and the actual climber became more of guest posters, not regulars.


Supertopo needs to die or be rebranded. The guides they produce are a flawed concept and appear to me to violate certain tenets of good sense and the legal authority of the park service to control and regulate the parks resources.

Things will change in the future, I think the climbing guidebook business is about to die, (can it get any deader?) among other things.


Sorry about the lack of focus, Rokjox ain't been out of the closet in a long time and Che has fallen out of practice.


(This post was edited by Rokjox on Aug 21, 2013, 10:11 AM)


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Sep 4, 2013, 1:17 PM
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Rokjox wrote:
Looks like I can't find the server in the wonderful wilderness of greater Metro San Francisco. I had not expected ST to ever die of lack of money, so I imagine they paid their bills. However its been several hours so far since I noticed its being Offline.

If I have any luck at all, they have been reported to Anonymous and have been taken off the internet for the crimes against the republic and its principles of internet (and national) freedom and decency that is not shared by the ST management.


I fully expect they will get the doghouse back online.

But thats too bad in its way, They portray themselves as "running the wildest forum for the wild-wild west" or some such fanciful tripe, yet are intellectually dishonest as only a very few caredfully scripted writers are allowed to post up anything but the most stupid and foolish politically correct propaganda. You'd think Ignorant B. S. was a degree from a Cali University.

Their wild-wild west forum is as tame as the California theme parks and about as deep as the upper Merced. Disneyland claims to have a wild-wild west exhibit too. .burly as anything ST has offered in years. The forum is under the control of fallen climbers now. They can (some of them) climb over 5.8 but thats about it and frankly, they ain't the caliber I grew used to. They are the very epitome of wankers, all worried about people getting their feelings hurt or some shithead who verily deserves being condemned might actually hear a discouraging word. Emotionally cowards, willing to risk their lives (or especially others lives), but not ever risk shedding a tear.

ST jumped the shark, even as a vehicle for promoting sales of greatly overwritten guides to a Federal Park. Due to his role in an illegal event, a violation of Park rules that led directly to the death of a young woman, he was "banned" for a while, but thats a handslap where proximate causes of death are involved. These guys aren't delicate or especially perfect nice either, someone should have been arrested and jailed in a Federal facility, not banned from the park. Leading another to their death while encouraging them to violate existing law on the way appears to be manslaughter at least.

And I really don't like the Supertopo guides, they are hugely overwritten and are a form of cheating to my eye. Of course, I never expect Cali trust-funders and fatcats to understand how leaving mystery intact and allowing the mountain a chance could ever be good for climbing.

Darn I miss Bachar. Chickenshit forever-aid climbers and "sport" climbers have overwhelmed the decent and honorable game in my sport, sport climbing and wall-rat camping hold the glamour.



Really, this is how I see the last 15 years. A very few brilliant skyrockets launched out of the mud that climbing has been driven into by hacks and commercialized interests who dominate now with a screaming chorus of fanboys who fail to see their mediocracy. I see few guys out in the field with any courage doing the big leads and a lot of whiners with mechanized bolt drills demanding heir right to drill the face of one more unmemorable big-wall or sport route somewhere where the rich kids can be made to feel important. Preferably someplace where servants can be gotten cheap near a resort with good 4G service.

F'em'all. Lets hear from those who climb alone or with a small group and who try and avoid the paparazzi surrounding the self-promoted, self-financed globe-trotting pretenders who claim to be the leadership of this sport.

I rather talk with guys that refuse to name new routes, publish route lists or "claim" FA's. I know they exist, I read about a guy in Southern Arizona who doesn't self-promote, there has got to be others. People who make gear for their own use, don't join the local SAR, Don't idolize 20 foot 5.13's and think about the wasted money spent when they see climbing magazines full of wealthy guys travelling tens of thousands of miles pursuing bolders rediculously far away.

Jak is that ewe?


areyoumydude


Sep 4, 2013, 11:23 PM
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Pretty funny you're complaining about this on rc.n00b.


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