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Krizob


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Read a few threads about this drill already, but need a more precise answer. I'll be drilling single pitch granite, and can't afford a $700 drill and this looks like my best option. Is it powerful enough to drill granite? I don't care if each bolt takes a few minutes since it's only single pitch I can take my time. Just don't want to buy something that will be so brutal or slow that it's not even worth it. Thoughts?


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Krizob wrote:
Read a few threads about this drill already, but need a more precise answer. I'll be drilling single pitch granite, and can't afford a $700 drill and this looks like my best option. Is it powerful enough to drill granite? I don't care if each bolt takes a few minutes since it's only single pitch I can take my time. Just don't want to buy something that will be so brutal or slow that it's not even worth it. Thoughts?

The annihilator should be just fine for granite. It's not as fast or powerful as some of the newer drills, but it'll work.


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That's great news, thanks! I found a used one complete with case, battery back and bits on ebay too. I'll check it out.
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It has been reviewed on this site. Sounds like it will work just fine. Might need a new battery if you are buying a used one.


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The Bosch "Annihilator" model #11225VSR should be great for the job.
In my experience, it will drill a 3/8" x 3" hole in granite, in under 45 seconds. The larger 3.0 Ah battery should be good for a dozen holes; perfect for a single pitch.

NiCad batteries go bad over time, whether they are used or not. When buying a used rotohammer, expect that the battery will likely need replacing.

A remanufactured NiCad can be purchased for about $110.
Or, build a SLA (sealed lead acid, aka: "gel cell") battery pack for about $75. Perfect if you are planning to drill on lead.

My garage holds a few extra Bosch Annihilators and Bulldogs (model #11213). If you want one, $90 for the Bulldog, $110 for the Annihilator, plus $15 shipping. All are lightly used and in good condition. I'm just trying to break even.

If you want to drill on lead, the Bulldog strips down very light and compact. The Annihilator can be easily modified to add external connectors for a remote battery pack, while still retaining the ability to use the factory NiCad pack. You can build the SLA pack to your specs for as much "firepower" (amp hours) as you want. Use a 35' or 50" extension cord so that the battery pack can be left hanging below. The rotohammer is lighter without the battery, allowing for one-handed drilling from difficult stances.
Below is the link to my conversion instructions with photos:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/603971/Bosch-Bulldog-Convertiing-to-SLA-batteries-step-by-step

E-mail ClimbBaja [at] aol {dot} com


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I own a Bosch Annihilator. It's a great drill, but ground up drilling on lead is not fun. It's too heavy. It's a fine drill, but I'd follow some of the recommendations from others up thread.


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Sounds like it'll suite my needs for now. I'll be retro-bolting (ie, top roping routes and chalking where to place the bolts first, then rapping down or ascending up fixed ropes to do the drilling, using aid gear as I go to keep me close to the wall). No lead bolting required at this crag fortunately. If I venture into the big wall arena one day, I'll likely upgrade.


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Krizob wrote:
I'll be retro-bolting (ie, top roping routes and chalking where to place the bolts first, then rapping down or ascending up fixed ropes to do the drilling, using aid gear as I go to keep me close to the wall).
That's not really what retrobolting is, but minor point.

Krizob wrote:
If I venture into the big wall arena one day, I'll likely upgrade.
Just realize that big walls that are within US National Parks are hand-drill only - motorized drills are not allowed.

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If that's the case, you should be fine. Be aware that the replacement batteries are expensive.

Have a party!


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That's alright I'll be in B.C. , the big walls here in Powell River aren't in a park. I wonder why no power drilling is allowed...just to keep the hordes away? Hand drilling must take ages...


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Ha woops, yeah not retro bolting...but there will be one route that needs to be retro bolted, but you get the point. Thanks for catching that.


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Krizob wrote:
That's alright I'll be in B.C. , the big walls here in Powell River aren't in a park. I wonder why no power drilling is allowed...just to keep the hordes away? Hand drilling must take ages...
Using Yosemite as an example - the big walls there are considered wilderness areas As such under the US Wilderness Act of 1964, motorized tools or conveyances are prohibited if there are no special provisions such as travel corridors.

With a sharp bit, a burly climber (like so many of the 60's Yosemite hard men) who knows what they're doing and are fresh can hand drill a 3/8" x 2.5" hole in about 20 minutes in Yosemite granite.

Add in fatigue and a bunch of other variables and a 1/4" x1.5" could wind up taking 40 minutes.


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