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mikebarter387


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iPad or itunes
Fishermans
Clove
Figure 8

https://itunes.apple.com/...ee/id699224122?mt=11


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Tom Fool's Knot - any fool can tie it.


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With the current influx of spammers of late, I almost trashed this post due to lack of meaningful content. However, since it is world-renowned climbing guide and mildly entertaining youtube video maker mike barter it shall stay for a bit. Let's see if he gets the hint and increases the content from 5 word/lines and a link to something that isn't blatantly advertizing...


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I'd go with four: figure 8, clove, munter, and overhand. Maybe double bowline and a friction hitch, preferably releasable, as extra credit.


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You must have Velcro shoes, or maybe slippers.


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I've got both velcro and slippers. Doesn't everybody?


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makebarter387 wrote:
Three Knots you have to know ...
Fishermans
Clove
Figure 8

Funny, the above don't come close to making my list Tongue

The best I can get down to is six. Can do three if cut out self-rescue.

Figure 8 (and it's variations) [use a bowline]
1) Bowline (and it's variations) [tie-in, tree anchor]
Bowline on a Bight [one or two uses but not that needed]
Clove Hitch use a bowline
Double Fishermans [tie cordelette without it being a loop]
2) EDK/overhand [tied ropes for rap, finishing off a cordelette]
Prusik Hitch use klemheist
3) Water Knot [gotta know to check rap slings as one will find most tied with it]
Girth Hitch [nice to have for chockstones but figure something else out]
4) Munter Hitch [key for self-rescue]
Mariners' Hitch [nice for self-rescue but make do with munter]
5) mule-knot [key for self rescue]
6) Klemheist [ascend the rope with cord or sling; self-rescue]

Bill L


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billl7 wrote:
makebarter387 wrote:
Three Knots you have to know ...
Fishermans
Clove
Figure 8

Funny, the above don't come close to making my list Tongue

The best I can get down to is six. Can do three if cut out self-rescue.

Figure 8 (and it's variations) [use a bowline]
1) Bowline (and it's variations) [tie-in, tree anchor]
Bowline on a Bight [one or two uses but not that needed]
Clove Hitch use a bowline
Double Fishermans [tie cordelette without it being a loop]
2) EDK/overhand [tied ropes for rap, finishing off a cordelette]
Prusik Hitch use klemheist
3) Water Knot [gotta know to check rap slings as one will find most tied with it]
Girth Hitch [nice to have for chockstones but figure something else out]
4) Munter Hitch [key for self-rescue]
Mariners' Hitch [nice for self-rescue but make do with munter]
5) mule-knot [key for self rescue]
6) Klemheist [ascend the rope with cord or sling; self-rescue]

Bill L

Why -

would you limit your knowledge?

use a bowline in place of a clove hitch?

Why Bill, why?


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Angelic Because Mike said to Angelic


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come on - help me out, Mike.


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I'm curious also. Why would you use a bowline over a clove hitch. They are not even close relatives.


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mikebarter387 wrote:
I'm curious also. Why would you use a bowline over a clove hitch. They are not even close relatives.
Yeah - they are functionally different. Let me explain. And I'll add that when I say "knots" below I also mean hitches.

So, I'll admit I'm a little confused about the purpose of this thread:

* it's in the beginners forum;
* beginners in a new area are sometimes overwhelmed with what needs to be learned;
* the subject Three knots you have to know implies everything else is not strictly necessary to know

So I went down the path of imagining which knots I could manage to do without. The clove hitch is one of them. That's all. Doing without it doesn't make things easier - but I could manage.

So what was the purpose of the thread?
Bill L

Edit: Ah - I didn't follow the link in the original post. Purpose of the thread is to promote the book?


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I agree with mike. Those knots are not the end all to anyone's knowledge but are easy to learn and will cover everything a beginner needs to go climbing. A water knot would be a good addition though.


billl7


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rocknice2 wrote:
I agree with mike. Those knots are not the end all to anyone's knowledge but are easy to learn and will cover everything a beginner needs to go climbing. A water knot would be a good addition though.
I agree - not the endall to anyone's knowledge. But I wouldn't agree with telling a beginner that they only need to know 3 or 4 knots ... at least not without constraints to a degree like only climb with a guide or in a gym.

I haven't looked at the book as I'm not set up for that medium. Probably some beginners out there with the same issue.


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fig 8
bowline
tautline hitch
trilene knot
trucker's hitch
prussic

you can do just about everything with these knots


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Hang in there. "Knots you gotta know" should be clear any day


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mikebarter387 wrote:
Hang in there. "Knots you gotta know" should be clear any day
Anyday - yes. But with anyone as a partner? With a guide, yes.


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My mistake

Knots you need to know covers:
8
clove
fishermans
Knots you gotta know (Book 2)
Munter
water
Euro Death Knot

The clinchers( Book 3)
prusik
klemheist
french prusik
went into the store yesterday should be up and running.
Not sure why theh mod is getting his ginch in a knot (or what kind of knot, could throw the ginch knot into book 4) they are all free and every noobie is gunna have to know most if not all of them


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Got it. It's clear that "have to know" is not the same as "only need to know".


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correct, followed by gotta, must, ect...


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