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fritzski
Jan 16, 2003, 12:22 PM
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Any good suggestions out there for what to use for the "stick" portion of a stick clip?
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jdean
Jan 16, 2003, 12:37 PM
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Any kind of telescoping paint pole will work. You can find them at your local hardware store for about $12.
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loren
Jan 16, 2003, 1:33 PM
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A stick.
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one900johnnyk
Jan 16, 2003, 1:38 PM
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stick clip w/pole: http://www.gx.starvedrockoutfitters.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=G&Category_Code=QD
it is money for something you can use a broomstick for but this one is collapsible and is aluminum so you can tote it w/you easily up the climb if you want ... should last a lifetime so you decide if it's worth the extra bread.
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shortfatoldguy
Jan 16, 2003, 1:47 PM
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I'm with one900 guy. The thing folds up and sits in a corner of your pack, unnoticed and weighing nothing, until you want it.
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hoppinbig
Jan 16, 2003, 2:03 PM
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Go to a pool supply store and buy a pool skimmer pole - they are telescopic and lightweight oh cheap too.
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epic_ed
Jan 16, 2003, 2:09 PM
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Found a Pika cheater stick on eBay recently for about $30. And believe me, it's a CHEATER stick. Damn thing extends to 22 ft!
Probably not worth it if you have to pay full retail, though ($100).
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[ This Message was edited by: up2top on 2003-01-16 06:10 ]
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leaverbiner
Jan 16, 2003, 2:56 PM
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Not as sturdy, but I have seen people use an old tent pole . . . collapses quite nice, but not going to be good for really high first bolts. Otherwise get yourself the telescoping paint pole . . . doubles as a good hiking stick.
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mreardon
Jan 17, 2003, 6:27 PM
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I actually use a golf ball retriever. Took out the last extension piece and the clip part fit perfectly on the end (about 16 foot reach). Though lately I haven't needed to stick but prefer to suck it up and go for it when possible.
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hoppinbig
Jan 17, 2003, 6:36 PM
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I also have a crashpad which I prefer to use to protect myself till I get the first bolt - but there are situations where the first bolt is way too high off the deck and it's just stupid not to clipstick it. Use your head and save your ankles.
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shortfatoldguy
Jan 17, 2003, 7:18 PM
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Yeah, leaverbiner is right about the tent pole (which is what the Epic stick clip thing is sold with). For really high clips, it can be a bit like driving a nail with a fish, if you get my drift...
Kind of amusing, though. And worth the trade-off if it's mostly going to sit in your pack.
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bandycoot
Jan 17, 2003, 7:27 PM
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I have a question about stick clips. I've never used one and don't see myself using one anytime soon. Maybe it's the places I go. Are there areas where it's understood that you start with a stick clip? Something like first bolts were placed high so that hikers don't see them? I NEVER see people using them where I climb, so maybe it is regional/locational... Anyways, if you respond, please just PM me so that I'm not changing the topic of the thread, thanks!!!
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fritzski
Jan 17, 2003, 7:45 PM
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Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I just went ahead and ordered the one from Starved Rock (thanks for the link).
Natural sticks aren't a very good option here in the desert. Hauling a pool pole or a crash pad on some of the hike/scrambles in Queen Creek Canyon would be a pain.
I've never used one so far, but have spent too much time agonizing over an overexposed first stretch and figuring out some kind of creative belay that I thought this could possibly solve some of that. Some folks are the "oh, just go for it types", but this 50 year old is not (anymore ).
From what I have read in various articles, it is perfectly acceptable to stick the first one - so there!
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redpoint73
Jan 21, 2003, 6:57 PM
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Bandycoot,
Stick clip usage is pretty widespread in areas that are predominantly known as sport crags. If the area is more a mix of trad and sport, than people probably won't bother carrying a stick clip around. Or maybe the routes at your crag/crags have easier starts so climbers don't feel the need to stickclip?
Stick clipping is used when the first bolt is high up (particularly if the climbing is hard for your level), or if the fall before the first clip is dangerous due to a steep slope at the base, sharp boulers or rock outcrops, etc.
Some routes are bolted with stick clipping in mind for the reasons stated above (sometimes the guidebook will state this). Usually not to keep the bolts hidden from hikers. If the bolt is too hight to see, it is probably too high to stick clip.
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