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v10gripper
Feb 1, 2003, 4:05 AM
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not v14+
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lox
Feb 1, 2003, 4:06 AM
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vram1974
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The Mandala sit-down is V13 I think
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lox
Feb 1, 2003, 4:22 AM
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jono13
Feb 1, 2003, 5:39 AM
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V4!? HAH! talk about more like V2-! its overrated! i dont know what sharma was smokin there! Now easy in easy chair, thats a big V95!!!!
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lox
Feb 1, 2003, 5:44 AM
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Vee Four PLUS.
IPS4LYFE.
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crux_clipper
Feb 1, 2003, 6:54 AM
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Stand start is rated at 8A - V11
Sit Start is rated at 8B - V13
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boulderingmadman
Feb 1, 2003, 7:55 AM
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a show of hands, please how many of you know-it-all muther%@#$ers have climbed it?!?!
you see...its super easy to say anything is any grade...but how many of you have not only climbed the mandala, but also several other problems at the same level and harder??
anyone who cant say they have, cant say what its graded...
[edited for clarity]except lox...hes closer than any of you...[/edit]
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lemurboy
Feb 1, 2003, 2:19 PM
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Did u guys here that the Mandala went SIT start????
crazy this ups the grade to V13
Toni Lamiche (a french guy) went to bishop in november and tore it up!
he sent Mandala standing start, Mandala sit start, Buttermilker, Spectre, and Evilution
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phil_nev
Feb 1, 2003, 3:31 PM
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Man in the dosage vid, sharma jokes that the grade would be V16??????
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lox
Feb 1, 2003, 3:45 PM
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lemurboy
Feb 1, 2003, 4:23 PM
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The way sharma did it, is way harder...He didnt know any beta for this thing so he made his own up!
Then Dave Graham came and said hey this would be easier and did it a easier way thus lower the grade.
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boulderingmadman
Feb 2, 2003, 2:10 AM
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so, aparrently, lemurboy and phil_nev have climbed it?? how the hell can either one of you claim to know what the grade is? so sharma thought it was the hardest thing he had done at the time. so this is a reason to accuse him of overgradinbg it, when he said he wasnt grading it?
you guys talk too much and climb too little. have you ever even seen the line in question in person? or have you just seen pictures of it in mags and videos? so now all of a sudden, you know that sharmas beta was harder, and grahams beta made it easier, and its v11.6875+, unless you use the third crimp from the left flake 6.231 inches from the ground. than its a v14-.
but from the sit, its gotta be at least v13.986 give or take. right?
goddamn...im with Lox, v4+...
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phil_nev
Feb 2, 2003, 2:41 AM
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boulderingmadman, chill out man.
No i havnt seen the mandala, just pics and videos. I wasnt putting sharma or anyone down, i was just stating that thats what he would have graded it. If shara feels like it's the hardest thing hes climbed fine, V16.... I personaly like the fact that he dosnt grade most (??) of his problems, it shows he's in it for the love of climbing, not for ticking big numbers.
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lox
Feb 2, 2003, 4:31 AM
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zzsean
Feb 2, 2003, 4:56 AM
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Why is this discussion still going it was decided long ago by the offical powers that be that Mandala is V4+
Mick will be updating the guide is due course. (he has the committees to work with still)
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crux_clipper
Feb 2, 2003, 5:30 AM
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boulderingmadman...where the @#$% do you get off telling people they can't comment on a grade of a climb. So, and i'm taking your theory, no climber is allowed to comment on the grade of an establised problem or climb, if they haven't done it, is this right....seish!
just to name a few...
Dave Graham, Tim Clifford, Mat Birch, Ian Vickers, Dave Struthers, Matt Wilder, Miles Gibson, Wills Young, Jerome Meyer, Julian Nadires have all sent 'mandala'.
so you see, we are able to discuss the grade of the climb, as the general consensus is that its V11, V13s-s. We able able to dicuss that it has infact been downgraded from an original grade (not sharmas) of V14.
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v10gripper
Feb 2, 2003, 6:07 AM
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loxs i gotta go with a solid v4- i mean with all of those new holds that someone chipped in it i can so campus the thing now, well they either chipped it or brushed off all the choss and uncoverd all these jugs
i started this thread because in the pro athlete bios it says that the mandala is v14+
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lox
Feb 2, 2003, 7:06 AM
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ips4lyfe.
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boulderingmadman
Feb 2, 2003, 6:56 PM
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youre missing the point. its a classic case of dont talk $#!& when you have no idea what youre talking about.
the only basis for any of this conversation is the opinion of someone else...someone who themselves have never climbed it.
so unless your name is sharma, graham, roth, lamiche, or the steadily growing number of people who have climbed it, you plainly dont know what youre talking about, and you should drop it. you dont see me sitting here talking about brain surgery and rocket science like i am the authority on it, just because i read a few articles in a magazine and watched a video once, do you?
you guys can argue about what the damn thing is graded all you want, and you wont change the fact that you havent climbed it, and probably never will climb it. instead you should be talking about its beauty. its location. its absolute perfection in relation to the term highball problem. because these are the only issues in which you might have a valid and supportable opinion.
oh, and dont get me wrong--im definately chilled out. i find it more ironic than angering. i love reading about people talking ridiculous $#!& abouth things they no absolutely nothing about. they always prove themselves to be an idiot, at least in that situation.
oh yea, crux-clipper--if sharma didnt rate the thing v14, than how can it be the "original grade"? shouldnt it have been left ungraded? sure, you can discuss the difficulty of a problem without having climbed it.
but to get on a public forum and declare that XYZ problem is graded vblablabla having never climbed that grade nor that problem, you are talking $#!&. plain and simple...
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alwaysforward
Feb 2, 2003, 9:06 PM
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bouldering madman, you're an idiot. watch this.
Person A: Hey, what is Dreamtime graded at right now?
Person B: Dreamtime is graded v15.
Person A: Thank you.
notice how this has nothing to do with whether or not B climbed Dreamtime. He's stating what is a fact right now. Just like this talk about mandala.
Let's try another example.
Person A: Where's is my brain?
Person B: Inside your head.
B never saw a brain but can answer the question.
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kurtneis
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ok for all of you who care!!! it is obvious in dosage that sharma is joking when he says V16 . sharma is not caught up in the the ratings of climbs, he just CLIMBS so if you still want to quibble then go ahead
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boulderingmadman
Feb 2, 2003, 11:43 PM
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from crux clipper, who appears to have climbed it--" Stand start is rated at 8A - V11
Sit Start is rated at 8B - V13"
fine, if hes climbed it...awfully confident if he hasnt, since its not in any of the guidebooks, and most of the ratings have been offered by people who havent climbed it.
from lemurboy--"Did u guys here that the Mandala went SIT start????
crazy this ups the grade to V13"
hmm...for someone who hasnt climbed it, he sure knows alot about how hard it is...even from the sit.
again from lemurboy--"The way sharma did it, is way harder...He didnt know any beta for this thing so he made his own up!
Then Dave Graham came and said hey this would be easier and did it a easier way thus lower the grade."
pointless if he hasnt done sharmas beta and knows that its harder. really pointless when you consider that if graham came along and found an easier way, he "made up his own" beta for it, anyhow...
and finally from alwaysforward--"Person A: Hey, what is Dreamtime graded at right now?
Person B: Dreamtime is graded v15.
Person A: Thank you."
a really bad example since in your scenario, a grade was offered from the first ascenionist, and confirmed by a secondist. sharma never offered a grade, and most repeaters have not given a grade, only offered an opinion.
so, in conclusion, if you have a reason to have an opinion on what you think the grade is, by all means, spray away. if you have no reason to have an opinion on what the grade might be, you are either talking $#!&, or trying to impress someone with how much knowledge you have.
ps--its v4+
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mustclimb69
Feb 3, 2003, 12:52 AM
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Sharma probabally had some gas or a headache and thought it was the hardest thing he has ever climbed ...
V4+
Im with LOX
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lilred
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i've been on it...
(the 1st move that is)
~giggle~
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mandala is rated v11/12
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