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joemor


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hey guys n girls......

ive got 50m of static sailing rope at home...... i have rapelled (excuse my s--- spelling) off it and want to use it for top rope stuf..... its the same thickness as my lead rope 10.5ish..... but has a silky sheath. quite simply will i die or is it fine to use any info would be tops.

joe


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many dynamic ropes come originaly with a silky type sheath. just be careful and makesure you have a good belayer that wont drop you and you should be alright, but DO NOT lead on static rope. it is ok on TR because you are not taking dynamic falls but you are while leading.


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  Nope you won't die... hmm reminds of the good old days TR on gold line! With a swiss seat for a harness!


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hehe i remember making up a swiss harness i still remember how to do it for emergency purposes but it has to be the most uncomfortable setup there is


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Although it may be safe enough for your purposes its not recommended. Its better to use a rope designed for climbing. There is no way to know what the ropes performance will be in unusual circumstances unless your an expert on the subject. Use a climbing rope!


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Spoken with Monty Python Welsh accent:

"Why when I was a lad, we used to DREEEEEAM of swiss seats! Why, we just tied the rope round our waists."

That's true, by the way.

As for sailing rope, you'd better be sure of its breaking strength, and that it hasn't been hanging out in the sun getting baked.

Uh, like, uh, if you're going to be like a climber, eh? Then like, owning a climbing rope is fundamental.


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I would strongly reccomend a rope designed for climbing


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Hey; I would say you should get a real rope (and a job to pay for it, if need be). But I climbed on all kinds of crap rope as a kid, and I'm luckily still here. In the end, you hafta make the decision yourself, like everything else in your climbing career.

BUT: when I was a kid, they hadn't even INVENTED rope yet. So we used to rub cedar bark and Wooly Mammoth sinew together in our hands till we had some cordage (we called it "uktpa") . we'd tie this to our bone nosepiercings and bungeenose jump from the tallest cliffs in the pleistocene Ruth glacier area in Alaska..course, the cliffs were alot shorter then, due to the ice age...


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ahh my very first rope was a 3 strand rope that i found it was really rough and now that i think about using it i still get scared about it


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Maybe more than any other sport, an equipment failure while climbing can kill you. Period. While your rope may be okay to climb with, do you really want to take a chance?


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I agree with Pete. If you want to be a climber. You NEED climbing gear. But....you probably won't die. (watch those edges)


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If your climbing on static rope intended for sailing it really worries me what your anchors look like let alone will your rope hold a fall! If you want to climb (and live very long sans injury) you have to do it right -- seek proper instruction and save for a few months to buy a decent dynamic climbing rope. $90 is cheap considering the price you pay for a wheelchair!

-jr

"Stupidity should be painful!"
- unknown


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"It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden deceleration at the bottom."
-also unknown


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As a sailor I have been up plenty of masts on the end of a halyard(rope to climbers) including going aloft during a race when a safety isn't always possible but therein lies the answer. Generally when using a halyard there is a second safety line involved. My advise then is as others, to use a rope made for the purpose intended. It is not the sheath that worries me as the exposure to UV light it may have had or the lack of certification. Even if the breaking strength is high, you don't know the stringency of the tests.
Incidentally, I have free soloed more masts than rock climbs including having to do it twice during races. Now I can tell you that stemming onto a sail to try and clear a fouled halyard is scary.


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Hmmm... Good point. It sounds like the rope should be fine for TR, but you never know what kind of tests were required. It's not very likely that it meets UIAA standards...

AW


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thanks for the replies.


just to answer afer questions...... ive got my own "climbing" gear and rope. the sailing rope is prettymuch brand new (i bought it when i was younger and didnt know any better..... its been in the cupboard ever since. so just making sure i wasnt goin to kill myself right away.

cheers joe


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darkside


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I would say that if you're not a sailor, can't sell it to any sailors, or intend to use your climbing rope for climbing, you could always use it for a haul line. I've seen halyards take huge loads from the sails but I've also seen them blow apart. It doesn't matter too much if your sail decks; know what I mean.

Trivial point: do you know there are no ropes on a boat? There are halyards, sheets, guys, lines, rodes, but none are called ropes.
'Cept when I take my climbing gear aboard.


joemor


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no rope on a boat.... interesting so what do i call a rope from a boat, but not on the boat?


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Hmmm, If you are thinking of climbing with sailing line, I sure hope you have your climbing anchors sussed. It could be hard going dragging the sailing varity to the top of a cliff. If you were to do that though, the rope hanging off your anchor would be called a cable.


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ummmm..... ITS A BOAT ROPE!!
No way dude, dont even climb on it!
Not unless yer tired of living.


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swiss harness seats? Man there are some either old guys or poor guys on this site!

swiss seats rock!


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Would the constant exposure to salty air (commonly found on the high seas, I assume,) cause rope damage? I know that UV light isn't the best thing for a rope, but would the microscopic salt particles cause internal abrasions, weakening the rope?

I'm either curious or clueless, you be the judge.

Best,

JRB


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A CLIMBING ROPE LEFT IN A CLOSET FOR MORE THAN 3 YEARS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. IT WILL NOT HOLD EVEN 1 UIAA LEADER FALL. I didn't know that the sailing line was sitting in a closet for years when I posted earlier....
BECAUSE THIS IS TRUE FOR A QUALITY CLIMBING ROPE, THE SAILING LINE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT. NOW.
As for Mr camhooks; The 15 Year old 9mms are gonna KILL someone. Climb with a more competent partner, camhooks. Your Uncle is gonna get U killed. There are thousands of climbers who really think they know what's going on in this world, but, over the course of my climbing career, I'd say that only about 5% of them actually DO know what's up.


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