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estebandb
Feb 10, 2003, 8:52 PM
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I'm writing a 10-20 page research paper on the Mallory-Irvine Mystery. If anyone knows of any good books, websites or something, i'd appreciate it.
Also, tell me what you think:
Did they make it to the top?
Would like to find out or keep the mystery alive?
Peace and Thanks
Esteban
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sandbag
Feb 10, 2003, 9:03 PM
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Ghosts of Everest: The search for Mallory and Irvine.
Great book for your paper.
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lemurboy
Feb 10, 2003, 9:13 PM
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I think that by the fact that they were found so close to the summit, indicates that they would be very hard pressed to give up and retreat.
I believe that they did summit and parished on the way back down. As many who have fallen on Everest have done.
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sunsation
Feb 10, 2003, 9:16 PM
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The mountainzone.com website has phenominal coverage of the story. They even have links to pictures of the Expedition before they headed up and you can see what kind of clothing/gear they were working with. Absolutely unbelievable. Last I heard they were still trying to locate Sandy Irvine, in the hopes of recovering his camera to see if it had any summit pics.
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bakedjake
Feb 10, 2003, 9:16 PM
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PBS aired a story not too long ago on it, you may wish to search their site
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mowz
Feb 10, 2003, 9:28 PM
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Definitly keep the mystery alive. What the "f" is the deal with everyone wanting to know every damned thing in the world? Some things, God wanted to keep a mystery. Who are we to go unraveling sh*% that wasn't meant to be solved. For example, the thing with the bottom of the ocean. Ok, so there are cool squids and other life down there. So what? It might help further research in nerve study, but where will that take us? To more playing of God?
BTW, I'm studying to be a lab rat in a crime lab, but I still think there are certain things that aren't meant to be found/solved. Watch Indiana Jones. See what happened to all those Germans who were nosy?
-Mowz
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wishiwaswest
Feb 10, 2003, 9:47 PM
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The Lost Explorer - Conrad Anker
Lost on Everest - The Search for Mallory and Irvine - Peter Firstbrook
Last Climb - David Breashears/Audrey Salkeld
Also Sir Edmund Hillary gives his thoughts on the subject in his autobiography...which might be a little biased...
I think Everest News also has a section devoted to the debate
I'd love it if they could prove that they had made it to the top...only because Sir Ed is a bit of a priss, (though I admire all the good he has done for the people of Nepal), and I resent his barely disguised undermining of Tenzing Norgays contribution to the climb.
[ This Message was edited by: wishiwaswest on 2003-02-10 13:47 ]
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yossarian
Feb 10, 2003, 10:01 PM
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mowz,
Get Real. I don't think God cares if we know what kind of squid reside at the bottom of the ocean or who was first on Everest.
How do you know God wants to keep mysteries?
How do you know what wasn't "meant" to be solved.
Good luck becoming a lab rat. With this type of logic you're gonna need it!
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mowz
Feb 11, 2003, 3:07 AM
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My point is, why do we have to know everything? Why is it so important that we know who got there first? There's much more important issues for the human race to worry about.
-Mowz
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polarwid
Feb 11, 2003, 5:35 PM
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[small]This topic was moved to the Climbing History & Trivia forum by polarwid[/small]
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dingus
Feb 11, 2003, 5:48 PM
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With all due respect, the topic has been done to death. Will your paper be anything other than a rehash of more thorough works? You've seen the references, there are many.
In terms of the mystery, is it within your power to settle the debate once and for all? If not then I suggest it is irrelevant if we want the caper to go unsolved. And if you knew, I bet you couldn't wait to tell folks, eh?
My personal opinion is they (who ever THEY are) should let the lost and the dead remain that way. I found it distastful and faintly disrespectful my climbing betters going up there and poking around those toombs. Far be it from me to criticize the way others' fund their expeditions and I certianly haven't climbed Everest, by fair means or foul. But what gives us the right to go digging for the dead, on Everest, or anywhere else for that matter. What if someone dug up your granny to find out if she was a secret heroin user or whatever?
Another possibility would be to focus your paper on something less famous, less researched and less done to death, concerning Everest. Plenty of other topics to touch on concerning history, medicine, climbing, and general craziness.
Here's one... how about a paper on the mating habits and rituals of western climbers at Everest base camp???
I'm serious! Now that would be a juicy paper, one potentially worth reading. Gamelgard might be a good place to start...
DMT
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estebandb
Feb 12, 2003, 1:00 AM
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DMT
i agree with you in a lot of things. I was supposed to write about an unresolved mystery and its a high school paper...I'm not trying to show the World who climbed Everest first. I think your analogy of digging up your granny to see if she was a heroin user is a bit extreme...I think it's for the same reason paleontologists dig up dinosaur bones...mountain historians(if that exists) are trying to complete the story. But thats just me
Thanks for all the info to everyone!
Peace
Esteban
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cruntley
Feb 12, 2003, 1:47 AM
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heres a link to buy the PBS show on video.
http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/shop/products/wg830.html
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psalmadventurer
Feb 12, 2003, 2:28 AM
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The follow-up book for Ghosts on Everest is "Detectives on Everest", which you can find at Mountain Gear. Although this ongoing mystery is well known throughout the climbing community, I am sure there are still people out there who don't know much about it. Also, a book entitled "To the Summit" has some very interesting articles about Everest that may add to your paper. Put on your detective hat and best wishes.
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billcoe_
Jun 24, 2003, 4:41 AM
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Mowz: a little heads up help here to get you started. If you really want to be a lab rat in a crime lab, the first hint here is if you get hungry, go press the little bar. Chunk of food should come out-repeat as necessary.
Glad to be of assistance for you: good luck, probably beats what the rest of us are doing for funds.
Bill
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