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diplodocus


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Where do you do your 'number 2' when you are high up a rocky mountain for a week with no possibility of digging a hole for your "contribution" to nature?


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Poop Tube: 2' piece of 4" pvc pice. Place a permanant cap on one end and a screw off cap on the other. Do your bisness in a bag (either brown or what ever you like), then make your deposit into the tube. There are other methods but this seems to be one of the more commom methods.

No mud crows please!!!!!!!!


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It depends entirely on the mountain, season, situation, etc. Some mountains have strict rules about packing it in and packing it out. One of my friends held it for 3 days on Rainier (I believe was the mountain) because he couldn't fathom trying to drop his number2 into a baggie, packing it around and then packing it out. Imagine the mess if the baggie busted open at some point during the trip...http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/contrib/sally/lol.gif


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oh christ. its shti people. its not like you dont normally find a pile of deer shit lying around somewhere. just get off the trail (beaten path, faint line in the dirt, whatever), bust out your load, and throw something over it, like a big rock, dirt, or whatever else you have. :? now this works for big MOUNTAINS. but when climbing big WALLS...you have to hump your poop off the hill(lol) :shock:


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Voice of Austin Powers: "Who does #2 work for?!"


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Rainier uses the blue bag method.

1) Pull out your double bag.
2) Shit into the inner bag.
3) Seal the inner bag.
4) Place the inner bag into the outer (blue) bag.
5) Seal the outer bag.
6) Keep climbing.

The Poop Tube is heavy, bulky, and leak prone. If you are on a big wall there are several other options, including double bagging with canoeists' "dry bags", Pete's wallflower (they are seperate links, in case you care).

For still more info on how one re-equalizes the load, read this.

Of course, since I've not used any of these methods aside from the blue bag (which is quite an experience in itself), YMMV.


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Metolius has a new system out that is designed for big wall climbing, you might also check that out. Or you could just hold it until internal bleeding sets in...

A.W.


sunsation


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Sheesh Petsfed, what's with the attitude? It's great to hear the stories and perspectives. Maybe the question's been asked before but the stories evolve and change.


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I usually don't shit at all for 3-5 days when I'm mountaineering? Till the day I will really need it and won't be prepared...


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Great question! There is nothing I hate more than finding a pile of crap in my path high up on a mountain. Most mountains in the Northwest require a system simular to the "blue bag" method. My least favorite is the brown bag and kitty litter combination. When push comes to shove it is just important to be considerate of where you leave your deposit so others don't come upon it.

For all those who say they just hold it for a few days...taking a crap in the outdoors isn't nearly as bad as going to the doctor (or being evacuated) for impacted feces. :shock: It doesn't take long for this to happen if your not drinking enough water (often the case on mountains).
In other words eat a lot of dried fruit and keep it regular. :D


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Impacted feces? Do what mathemeticians do.....work it out with a pencil.


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:lol: :lol:
I know it sounds strange but I know someone who didn't crap for 5 days while climbing in the North Cascades and got really sick.
If you think working it out with a pencil yourself would be bad, try having a doctor do it with there finger...though I suppose if your climbing with some really good friends...


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d00d that's weak.

find a rock way off the path, or a ledge way the hell in nowhere land, and send that mud falcon AIR BORNE.

I took the mother of all craps not 20 minutes from Campamento Bridwell and let me tell you there was NO WAY IN HELL I was going to hold that sucker for 5 more MINUTES, let alone 5 days.

There was guanaco and various-other-rodent shit all over the place on the hike in, why is mine any worse? In any event I usually bury my mess, but if I'm on a ridgeline or something, I just try and drop the bomb far enough away from routes and approach trails that it won't affect anyone else's experience.

It's just crap, afterall. I see horse crap on probably 1 out of 3 trails I use.


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too many rules in life make simple things complicated


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assuming you are halfway up, hanging off a big wall, and you had no choice but to "send that mud falcon AIR BORNE" as Tim put it :wink: , what's the best/safest way of getting yourself into a position to drop those bombs while hanging up there? How do you pull your pants down when you're weighted on your harness without compromising safety?


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back yourself up with a chest-harness


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Several companies make harnesses that you can DROP the legloops on and still remain tied in. I still use my old CHOUINARD CULP HARNESS when I am in the mountains, the leg loops are ONE loop pulled up through the crotch and clipped to the waistbelt with a LOCKER. The rope is tied through TWO loops on the waistbelt and clipped to the LOCKER. Just undo the locker, drop the loop down, drop the drawers and let fly!


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Where do you do your 'number 2' when you are high up a rocky mountain for a week with no possibility of digging a hole for your "contribution" to nature?

If you're on dirt/talus, you can bury it, provided you're away from a stream/lake.

If you're on a glacier, you can toss it into a crevasse.

If you're on rock, you can smear it flat and thin so that the sun bakes it.

Obviously, some of these techniques are dependent on local regulations and on how frequently the area is visited. Basically you want to avoid crapping where:

1) it can affect the water supply
2) it won't decompose (e.g. if you crap on snow, it won't decompose until it melts out later that summer)
3) where other people travel frequently

Sometimes the only option is to pack it out via a poop tube or a bluebag.

For the bluebag, you don't need to be able to aim it into the bag; you can just crap it out, wear the bag like a glove on your hand, grab it, and flip the bag inside out.


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I think common sence rules the day on this one. Really popular places, either use the John or pack it out (that's one reason why I don't like really popular places).

In more remote areas, bury it, cover it with rocks, do it in a crack between boulders. If there is no fire hazard (really important to make sure there is no fire hazard) you can also burn any tp you used.


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Not a big deal, it's just poopie. Take it? Put it back. (Not funny)


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Yell "SSSSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT"


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I did a trans-alaska range traverse once, and made a SOLEMN VOW not to pooooop for the entire TRIP (30 plus days......). Everything was going well, and I hadn't dumped in over 3 weeks, But, when I got down to the Kahiltna international airport, there was a poo-poo terrorist taking the several hundred pounds of shit that builds up at the airbase hostage. He had a gun, and said he would "shoot the shit" if we didn't free one of his copro-fec-astinian cohorts who the park rangers had earlier stuffed in a crevasse. We laughed so hard I exploded in my kooowel 900$ gro-teks one piece suit, and had to be evacuated. :oops:

SO LET THAT BE A LESSON.


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On a more serious note, there WAS a guy who was on the upper west rib on denali, and he got up to take a dump in the middle of the night. He was wearing his cute little polargard booties, and was not tied in. When he slipped, he fell several thousand feet down into the NE fork of the kahiltna. Dead boy.
So pay attention, however you poop. and stay tied in.


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Talk about getting caught with your pants down. :D


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