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suprepopps


Dec 24, 2001, 10:03 AM
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I'm thinking about getting some cams so I can start broadening my climbing horizons, but I have no clue where to start.

What kinds
What sizes
How many
Would nuts or hexes be better


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if yer from SC. then im guessin you might do some trad climbin' at Moores wall and maybe the Vol. in tenn.

if my memory serves me well (and it usually does) your going to be making alot of horizontal placements as well as the conventional vertical ones.

probably good to get FLEXIBLE STEM cams such as the CCH ALIENS or WC FRIENDS as the foundation for your rack. its mostly going to depend on what your priorities are.
price/value ratio and such.

the BD Camalots are great because it takes fewer cams to cover the same range, but they are a bit heavier (only a consideration if your packing in alot or doing alot of desert cracks).

most people like to supplement thier small to medium sizes with stoppers and hexes (mainly 'cause thier alot less expensive).

climb alot with experienced climbers and clean alot of gear. then you'll be able to figure out what you like.

i climb alot in the Utah desert and my (rather large) rack consists mostly of rigid WC friends because most of the cracks are vertical and require alot of the same size units.


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Dec 25, 2001, 2:47 AM
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I'd be more inclined to base my rack around passive pro and filling it out with some cams


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I agree with socialclimber.


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I think that if you start out just buying cams (crackwhore made a good note: get flexible stems!) you get used to just sticking pro anywhere; I tend to follow more the lines of socialclimber and wolftek and would recommend starting out with only nuts and chocks is as it would teach you how to (really) place pro. Cams are to passive pro what an automatic is to a standard vehicle. If you start with them you don't want to change over, but your climbing game becomes far more interesting when trying to wedge a nut as opposed to stick a cam. Either way, enjoy the trad experiance, and remember to get together with someone who can teach you how to place the gear properly!


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Check out www.splittergear.com
The new 2 and 4Cam units are quite useful and lighter than the older designs.


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If you are looking fo good cheap cams find Robocams. They are only $30 apiece and com in .25 inches to 4 inches.


blimpdriver


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Check out Rock Empire Cams....For the Money you can't beat em.....

acmeclimbing.com

there great!


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Check out Rock Empire Cams....For the Money you can't beat em.....

acmeclimbing.com

their great!


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cams with forged cam stops also have a passive (fully open) strength rating.
ditto for the double axle design (Black Diamond).

some of the cheaper cams do not have this feature.

my cam suggestions are based on the content of the question.

i agree that passive pro is a more cost effective way of covering the sizes, but cams are usually more versatile.


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