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treyr


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Do cheap quickdraws work as well as more expensive draws???


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Only prob I found with less expensive draws or with some draws, is with the standard slings they come out with, The bent gate biner turns around in the sling, when you make a clip and the biner is turned, and you are on a strange clipping position, you can sometimes unclip the biner from the sling, the biner falls, and your stuck with half a draw.

However Petzl make these rubber grommets that you can put on the bent gate biner to stop it from turning.

I don't think the weight difference, or the fact that more expensive draws usually claim to clip faster (If you on a crimper hanging on for dear life , u can clip fast on anything ) actually make that much of a difference.




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Thanks!


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The only thing I'll add to the excellent answer above is that sometimes you lose a little bit on the "smoothness" of the gate with the cheaper ones. They either are stiffer to open, and clip, or are prone to sticking a bit.

As a force of habit, I always check my biners to make sure they're facing the right way BEFORE I get on the route and find out at the most inopportune time.

Just my thoughts, hope they help.

Mick


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It really doesnt matter if you buy cheap
draw slings or buy the spendy petzl ones, if
the biner flops all over the place you can
fix that by wrapping thick rubber bands
around the end of the draws to keep the biner
in place. Otherwise, they all pretty much
work the same. A bigger concern is the biner
itself, sport climbing is harsh medicine on
ropes due to common multible falls. So its
actually better to go with a slightly beefier
diameter biner(i.e. DMM, Wildcountry, petzl, etc.), than some of the lighter but much skinnier ones. The thinner diameter biners
are harder on your rope in a fall.
Anyway, hope that helped.


treyr


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So what are the best type for the money. I have ABC i hope i like them


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i just make my own quick draws. i go to mec and buy a straight gate beaner and a bent gate beaner, by a sling thats appropriate for ur arm length, then put beaners on each end of the cling and if its too long then just put on beaner through the other beaner, pull and clip it to all the sling. easy to make and chesper then buying one!


airscape


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I always check to see if my biners are right way round too, but sometimes when you get to a clip some of them have turned again.

But this has only happend on other peoples draws I ahve used, all my draws are fitted with tight fitting slings, to stop turning.

One of the nicest draws around are the DMM eclipse draws, not all that expensive, very easy to clip, and they don't turn easy. Unless ofcoarse you have money, then DMM mambas, those are the sweeeeeet


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Yep, DMM or Wildcountry.
Those brits no their sh#*t.
Either one, in my opinion their the
best brands on the climbing market.


beyond_gravity


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Are far as safty goes, it's all the same, The only difference Between a Cheap Clog Draw and a Petzl Spirt draw is that the petzl one is lighter and easyer to clip. But i'd rather have 2 cheap ones then 1 good one.


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ive got dmm eclipses their sweet so good..... as for wild country.... dmm own them.... or is it the other way round?

ive got a friend who broke a lucky biner on a bolt plate, it was clipped in propper and all and he was only about 4 foot above it snapped through, lucky the belayer provided a soft landing. hes vowed never to climb on cheep gear again, he says go for a good brand. but thats up to you i gues.

ps dmm eclipses rock

joe


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I've broke an expensive petzl locking biner. It was enough to give me a 15 foot fall on to rocky ground, with a bunch of cows (but thats a different story). Anyways, I don't think that breaking gear is exclusive to cheap stuff.


beyond_gravity


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breaking gear? i've never heard of that happening. Was the gate open or somthing? I mean Lucky's are rated to 22kN, and so are DMM, so how can that make a diff?


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 Here is a good topic I started http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=4909&forum=40&24 read it


joemor


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the lucky biner that broke belonged to a friend..... he sent it back and they said it was the small percent of manufacturing faults that gets through, there was a bubble or somthing in the alloy, i think, any way hope that clears it up

joe


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