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Oct 25, 2003, 2:36 PM
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why would you not post the directions?  (North_America: United_States: Pennsylvania: Southeastern_Region: Patriot_Boulders)
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It seems that the more places that are listed and the more pictures that are put on this website the more the climbing for everyone. If there's some other reason just let me know, but i know of some other places that i plan taking pics of and posting on this website. The more the merrier.


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I am referring to Patriot Bolders in Allentown for people in the main forum.


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Just a thought (I don't know the area in particular) but perhaps the access is somewhat problematic? I have added areas before so that people can see there is climbing around there, get an idea of the climbs, etc, but have to actually talk to someone who knows the area and the access issues before they can actually get to the place.


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Lazide, I am not a fan of that particular approach. Just drop the beta so we can climb and have fun, but also mention the access issues. The other way just annoys all of us. THanks


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i want directions


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well...keep hunting for clues...cause when you find the area, you'll want to keep it to yourselves to.

BTW: Welcome to PA. Theres tons of gems, but its either on private land or access is so bad that you'll ratherly find directions. Also, to me its a proven fact that publicity brings more problems. One thing I've learned is to quit complaining about no directions and, instead, go find a good spot or two. When you have information that others don't, then people will talk!


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Come on guys, sometimes you can scream about these boulder fields and nobody will come. For example Oconee in Georgia. They need cleaning and climbing, do I have to go over there and do all the work myself?


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well thats georgia, not pa.


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well thats georgia, not pa.

Word. PA climbing seems problematic at best.

Travis


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Travis, look at all the big deal that's being made about LRC. private property with special restrictions. Point out a close by public area like Zahnd and still almost nobody wants to go. I just looked at the area page and saw something about walking straight from the parking area thru the main area. What that implys is that these people don't even know where the main boulder field there is.


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Travis, look at all the big deal that's being made about LRC. private property with special restrictions. Point out a close by public area like Zahnd and still almost nobody wants to go. I just looked at the area page and saw something about walking straight from the parking area thru the main area. What that implys is that these people don't even know where the main boulder field there is.

At first I thought you were flaming me, but I think I see what you are saying...

I think what Mr. Waltermeyer is saying is that if there were any accessable public bouldering areas in PA, they would most likely see a good bit if traffic. Down here, we are kind of spoiled by an abundance of public climbing areas with high quality rock, whereas PA has some okay climbing, but it is primarily on private land.

LRC is a different issue, and I STILL don't like talking about LRC in public forums. It makes me all nervous...

If you want some help with establishing any bouldering in the chatty area, let me know, and I'll come brush off some holds with ya mista crowbar.

Travis


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No flaming intended. I guess I'm just amazed at how people want to flock to these private and sensitive areas while ignoring all the wide open places.


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I guess I'm just amazed at how people want to flock to these private and sensitive areas while ignoring all the wide open places.

tenn_dawg hit the nail on the head. In PA, especially Eastern PA, there isn't many "wide open places" to speak of...


As for Patriot, sure I'm disappted that Kagunkie won't spill the beans, but... now that I've figured out where they're at, I guess I really don't mind. I'm not sure if that is hypocritical or selfish or what.


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Good for you, Randy!!

Shoot! It took you long enough!

We (Kagunkie and I) found some more this weekend!

Beware! One group of boulders may be a bear den!! HEHE!!


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Kathy

BTW one more climbing area to check out (possible cliffs) and 3 more to develop!!!

Spent the Sunday clearing trails and cleaning boulders!!!! Big'uns!!

Later... Pics to come from Kagunkie


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I know where it is now........albinos will come get you


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I thought this topic was dropped but guess not.

I once thought if I post directions it will ease alot of hollaring and complaining for directions to this place. I thought it would help people but what helped me was realizing to keep this place secret for as long as possible. Enjoy what you can climb now while it is clean and fresh. (TY kagunkie)


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I know where it is now........albinos will come get you

You must thinking about Haycock. Haycock Mtn supposedly does have the albinos that you hear about. I don't know if you are or not, but don't confuse Haycock with Patriot Boulders, as they are two different spots, far away from each other. I've been to both, and I can see why Keith would like to keep the latter a secret. If you are refferring to Patriot Boulders, and not Haycock, then I apologize, but I just wanted to clarify that)

To everyone else, there are more than enough clues to figure out where Patriot is. Happy hunting.

<=glen=>


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NO i clearly know where it is in allentown, you can see it when your on the road, im not going o say where it is but i do know....


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Im gonna drive up there and find this place AND THEN POST DETAILED DIRECTIONS. Maybe then you bastards will shutup.


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Im gonna drive up there and find this place AND THEN POST DETAILED DIRECTIONS. Maybe then you bastards will shutup.

and then this beloved area will probably become trashed, chipped, and runied for good. Do you really want a climbing crag to become of this?

If this is bothering you so much, do not pay any attention to it then!!


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and then this beloved area will probably become trashed, chipped, and runied for good.

It is so freakin highly unlikely that just because you post directions to a bouldering area on the WWW the place is going to become chipped or trashed. Most people that trash crags are non climbing locals... and I'm sure you are aware that the locals already know where this place is. Chances are, posting the directions will cause climbers to goto the area... if this is what you are trying to avoid then lets make sure it is for the right reasons and not the wrong ones.

Reasons for not posting directions should be but are not limited to:

1) Access Issues
2) Private Land (which is an AI)
3) Illegal to Climb (Which is an AI)

Reasons you would list an area without directions are but are not limited to:

1) To add climbs to the tick list
2) To upload pictures
3) To make people aware of access issues
4) So you can keep an online guide for people who already know where this place is.


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Search for directions on this site. You will find them. It's not hard.


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:roll:

I love how we all were ready to send Keith's head rolling until we found Patriot for ourselves. Classic hypocricy. Classic PA.

Just like Gretna...(of course, I have a MAP of the climbing there) I'll remain on the inner loop of these areas. Its kind of a right of passage, if you will, to find these areas.

After you've done that, you'll understand. Why should any Joe-schmoo get directions to one of the few secrets left in E. PA? We put the clues together. We earned the right, darnit.

randy


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