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its_me_drew
Feb 27, 2002, 4:37 PM
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I was curious as to your opinions on how many groups should be on the same route at the same time. For instance lets say that you are climbing 5 pitches sport/trad doesn't matter. And there is a group ahead of you lets say 2 pitches up, do you continue and go after them on the same route? or would you prefer to wait untill they get a little higher or finish? Or lets say that you were the group that is up there would you feeel comfortable to have someone climbing under you on the same route at the same time? What if you are the second group and are faster climbers and you catch up to the first group, what do you do then? Pass them? Wait for them to continue? How safe do you feel passing, or being passed? What about when doing a something big like anything on El Cap, how much distance do you think is reasonable to keep between the groups? I think that you guys get the point of what I'm asking, the reason is that I was channel surfing last sunday and I got a chance to see Veritcal Limit for the hundredth time, and since you all know what happened in the begining of that move, about one group falling on the other so to speak, I started wondering how many and how close at the same time?
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thumper
Mar 2, 2002, 5:29 PM
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As few as possible spaced as far apart as possible. Personally I don't trust anyone I don't know to be climbing around me, or especially above me. And I have people I climb with that are excellent belayers, but I won't let them lead me yet. And after taking the last 4 months off, I wouldn't trust anyone that trusts me to lead them either! Oh well, back to the gym today.
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radistrad
Mar 3, 2002, 4:15 PM
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I dont like to crowd a party that is ahead of me, also I dont like to be crowded or rushed. Generally if a party is a pitch or two ahead of me I'll start up. I will usually share belay stances, but dont really like to. If the party ahead is moving really slow I'll go else where. Vertical limit is pure crap! I've only seen it once, but all I remember is their anchors sucked. single point belay anchors, one ice ax planted as na anchor to pull them out of the crevass. BS...
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addiroids
Mar 3, 2002, 7:08 PM
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How many at the same time?: Three Ohh, this was in reference to climbing. I thought it was regarding how many girls I have "had relations" with at the same time. Sorry 'bout that one. TRADitionally yours, Addiroids
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its_me_drew
Mar 3, 2002, 7:11 PM
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I really did not mean to get into the discussion of everything that was wrong in that move, I just thought that I would use the begining scene as an example of what I'm asking. I feel the same way as you, and would not feel comfortable having someone climb around me, however I'm curious how its mannaged on big walls such as el cap, where the places to bivy over night on the wall are limited and you have several groups attempting the same route at a time.
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