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caughtinside
Dec 11, 2003, 12:09 AM
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Did anyone else think pilgrimage sucked?
It was so boring I had to turn it off after 25 minutes. I should have turned it off sooner. Not enough climbing, too much listening to Sharma say.... nothing!
The scenery was ok but nothing too special, ditto for the cinematography.
Seriously, why have more than a few soundbites from Sharma. THere were FAR to many in this video. There is a man who climbs hard but has nothing to say. Show him climbing, for pete's sake.
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slablizard
Dec 11, 2003, 12:21 AM
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I agree. Way slow and with no "enthusiasm" . It's ok if you're stoned, but put some laughs here and there, show us around. Plus I don't know if it's the light, but everything looks yellowish brown and flat.
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thrillseeker05
Dec 11, 2003, 12:25 AM
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I liked it. but then again I saw it at a theater with Sharma, Katie, and Nat there. So it was a bit different. Anyhow how could you not love the monkey that cranks some serious moves?!??
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grandwall
Dec 11, 2003, 12:29 AM
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i totally disagree. pilgrimage is one of the best bouldering vids that i've seen. sharma is disgustingly strong and is super motivating to watch. maybe because the problems aren't graded it doesn't seem as appealing, but just sit back and watch - his strength is second to none.
also, sharma's all about walking around all day to find cool lines. it's cool to grab a guidebook, search the pages til you find a problem that's graded at your limit and going to work it, but at the same time bouldering's also about searching for your own lines. i think the sense of adventure in pilgrimage separates it from other vids.
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Dec 11, 2003, 1:16 PM
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I thought Pilgrimage was fantastic - this was the first of the Big Up films that I thought could stand on its own as a movie, not just a "climbing movie." My wife, who does not climb, appreciated it, almost as a kind of documentary I suppose.
I also think Sharma has interesting things to say, for example, it's interesting to me how someone that good finds motivation to keep getting better. He says a couple of things that struck me, for example, "Moments of attainment are few and far between, so I must learn to find peace in the search itself." This definitely resonated with me. The movie also had some obvious spiritual overtones, such as the dark side and the theme of learning to gush (climbing with pure emotion), but again, I find these connections interesting.
Most importantly, the climbing is phenomenal. Some of my friends have complained that they'd like to know how hard the problems are (makes it easier to internalize just how strong those three are), but I say the sickest problems in Rampage are ungraded as well, and that movie is ridiculously good. Unfortunately you missed some of the best climbing by turning it off after 25 minutes - if you can't stand the dialogue I would at least finish the movie with the volume muted so you can see some of it.
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Dec 11, 2003, 4:18 PM
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I think the problem with Pilgrimage is that a lot of the words had too many sylables. Given my limited attention span I have a hard time focusing on anything unless it cuts from one shot of a problem to another. I'm too busy making fun of famous climbers and pretending I don't admire them, to listen to what they have to say.
Bouldering films up until now have mainly been stuck in the realm of jump-cut agro-beat soundtracked skateboard flicks. That's fine, I like those, but Pilrgrimage was more like a grown up climbers movie. I loved the documentary style and hearing what Nate, Katie and Chris had to say. I could relate to a lot of things they talked about and thought it was cool to hear them discuss their frustrations and fears.
Personally, I do like to see gradings in videos and photos, but it worked in this film to not show them. Josh Lowell was going for a different angle with this one and I give him credit for pulling it off in style. Think of how impressive it is that a real climbing film was actually entertaining to non-climbers.
In reply to: I agree. Way slow and with no "enthusiasm".
In reply to: It's ok if you're stoned, but put some laughs here and there, show us around.
Odd that you say that. The theatre I saw the movie in was laughing a fair bit.
In reply to: Plus I don't know if it's the light, but everything looks yellowish brown and flat.
In reply to: Seriously, why have more than a few soundbites from Sharma. THere were FAR to many in this video. There is a man who climbs hard but has nothing to say. Show him climbing, for pete's sake.
Plus... the soundtrack was killer!!! I want to get a copy of that techno indian song from when they're driving in the tuktuk.
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caughtinside
Dec 11, 2003, 10:43 PM
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In reply to: Seriously, why have more than a few soundbites from Sharma. THere were FAR to many in this video. There is a man who climbs hard but has nothing to say. Show him climbing, for pete's sake.
Well, I can't say I give a hoot about what those other two have to say either. That's why I turned it off. IT WAS BORING. I was expecting to watch a bouldering video, not "Bouldering in India: We discuss the heat, what we think the locals do, what time we get up in the morning, how inspired I am by these other yahoos I'm bouldering with and what bouldering makes me feel like on the inside."
I liked the climbing, there just wasn't enough of it, and I didn't think it was all that spectacular in terms of eye-candy. If it had been all climbing, I probably would have watched the whole thing.
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Dec 11, 2003, 10:49 PM
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you are clearly an idiot.
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Dec 11, 2003, 11:58 PM
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i second that motion.
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bobtheboulderer
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In reply to: also, sharma's all about walking around all day to find cool lines. it's cool to grab a guidebook, search the pages til you find a problem that's graded at your limit and going to work it, but at the same time bouldering's also about searching for your own lines.
This describes me...does that mean i am as good as Sharma?
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Dec 13, 2003, 10:22 AM
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I didn't mind the 1st "Its all about the EMOTION" or maye even the 2nd, but when Chris said it, then Nate, then Chris, then Katie, then Chris, then Nate, etc... I did start to get a bit perturbed. I made a post about it awhile ago, and I have to agree that this wasn't that great of a film. To me the most annoying thing was the god awefull selection for music. I know sticking with the local flavor sounded like a good idea, but it wasn't IMO.
I will vote with my $$ next time. I will borrow someone elses Big Up Productions film before shelling out for my own copy.
Once bitten, twice shy......
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Dec 13, 2003, 1:03 PM
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In reply to: you are clearly an idiot.
seems like its kind of silly to say that because of someone's opinion on a video...is it that big of a deal? or are you trying to get a rise out of him? :?
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Dec 13, 2003, 2:47 PM
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Pilgrimage was a great film, it was not perfect but it was good. The quality of the image was insane! I would say that this was the highest film quality for any climbing film I have seen yet, and I own a ton. The only other video close is Lowell's Dosage.
If you bought this video looking for pure bouldering, shot after shot after shot, then sorry to say, you are a fool.
a) This is a Lowell film. In every film Josh has made he always has many sounds bites, philosophy, stories, problem descriptions ect. If was was pure climbing then the video would suck, it needs a mix to keep the audience wanting more climbing.
b)This film was advertised for months as a movie that would show us more about Sharma, what he thinks, what he feels, and where he has been climbing for the last couple years. No one ever said buy this video for an hour of non-stop bouldering insanity.
About the rating issue, I don't know about Nate or Katie, but Sharma does not rate ANY routes or problems, so if Sharma is the first ascentionist of all these problems, how can they even be rated? Lowell has always put ratings in his other videos, so I would guess that this would be a driving factor in why not to put ratings in this video.
The one thing I did not like about this video was that the climbing was too sick! It was insane how many hard problems went in this video, and I can almost say that I was oversaturated with hard climbing to the point where I wished there were more sound bites....
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Dec 13, 2003, 4:42 PM
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just seeing that slow motion scene of sharma trying to catch that crimp dyno made the whole movie worth it.
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Dec 13, 2003, 4:52 PM
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i ahvent seen it jet, but im gonna try to find it and give you my opinion (but who will care anyway, so ill jsut watch it and NOT give you my opinion :P )
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Dec 13, 2003, 5:26 PM
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well, I could probably speak for everyone here by saying that climbing in India, even traveling there, would be speck-@#cking-tacular. Now getting to climb the whole time, all on fa's, all on hard rock....well now that is worth watching.
If you are unhappy with this video, there could many a plethora of reasons. Mainly, you like to complain. So shut up. If you are one of those people who bought the video b/f you watched it and you didn't like it, then you are an idiot. So much better to let other, more well financed friends spend their money of plastic disks of climbing flics.
All climbing videos are like porn, you wish you were there, right then, right now. My friend wants to put a dvd screen in his car so he can watch pilgrimage and other videos on the way to rocks...what a (slightly dangerous) way to get super psyched before climbing!
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caughtinside
Dec 13, 2003, 8:22 PM
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Lucky for me I borrowed the video, I didn't buy it.
I knew next to nothing about it ahead of time. I thought it was going to be lots of bouldering in an interesting place. I was disappointed.
But hey, that's just my opinion right? Feel free to disagree, or even to make silly judgments about my opinion... :P
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Dec 13, 2003, 10:22 PM
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To the original poster: If you honestly dislike the video so much, just give me your copy. I'll even pay shipping. 8)
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caughtinside
Dec 13, 2003, 10:27 PM
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Dec 13, 2003, 10:54 PM
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I enjoyed pilgrimage. The bouldering is absolutely great. The scenery was nice and what I really liked is how it played in with the cultural richness of India. Perhaps this film didn’t appeal too many of you because you don’t think of climbing the same way as Sharma and Nate do. I know a few years ago if I saw this film I would have been like what the heck are they doing there? Weird stuff. But now I think its cool they would chose such a place.
I fell that just listening to Chris talk about climbing in that film is inspiring.
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Dec 15, 2003, 7:46 PM
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this movie is definitely quite a bit cooler in the theater. i saw it down in santa cruz in september, and being able to talk to the protagonists afterwards significantly improves the experience. the fact that i'd climbed with biggie before made it better, even if he did chop off the dreads, because it was a bit easier to relate to the film. one of the nice things about climbing is that you can actually meet and climb with the people you read about in magazines and watch in videos.
if you're looking for an agro film to get you pumped, look elsewhere. but if you're trying to find a film that's good to watch, even if it is a bit repetitive on occasion, pilgrimage isn't a bad choice. at least rent it if you can. besides, who could say no to those cranking monkeys?
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piton
Dec 15, 2003, 8:23 PM
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in the movie does sharma smoke pot out of a hookah with a monkey? :D
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cabdog
Dec 15, 2003, 8:55 PM
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So what is the best climbing video?
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Dec 16, 2003, 6:50 PM
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i didn't think it was terrible but i've definitely seen better... i thought the coolest part of the video was watching the monkeys climb because it was much cooler than watching dudes sit around under rocks talking
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I really enjoyed Pilgrimage, finally a climbing video about climbers, not just the climbs. After you've watched enough surfing films, you'll realize how lame most climbing videos are. I think Pilgrimage is a step in the right direction.
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