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mountainrat
Mar 25, 2002, 11:19 PM
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Are these the same thing? If not, what are they, respectively? Thanks
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mauta
Mar 25, 2002, 11:28 PM
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NOOOOOOOO!!!
These are DIFFERENT SERIOUS MISTAKES.
However, my english is not good enough to clearly explain both, so i will let some other to explain them accurately.
JUAN
[ Este Mensaje fue editado por: mauta el 2002-03-25 15:29 ]
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fishbait
Mar 25, 2002, 11:35 PM
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Hey Mountainrat,
Backclipping occurs when you clip the rope into a carabiner upside down. When you proceed higher, the rope twists the carabiner over and could result in the rope unclipping itself.
Z-clipping is hard to describe but usually happens when you place gear close together and clip a higher piece with a lower portion of the rope. The resulting path that the rope would take follows piece #1..#3..#2 and sort of forms a "Z" shape. As you move higher rope drag will probably stop you and piece #2 might lift out of place.
Did that make any sense?
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artm
Mar 25, 2002, 11:40 PM
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for a picture of backclipping click this link
http://www.climbing.com/Pages/rockcraft/Sport/sport_image_pages/sport-fig01.html
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miagi
Mar 25, 2002, 11:58 PM
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Z-clip Clipping the highest point of protection with a section of rope pulled up from below the last piece you clipped. Halts upward progress.
Fishbait explained it well. Personally i havent seen anyone run into the Z clipping problem. If you grap the rope a few inches from your harness and pull it up through the draw you'll have no problem. As for backclipping it happens... Just make sure you double check as your passing the bolt.
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joemor
Mar 26, 2002, 4:27 AM
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there was a really good explanation in the beginners forum a month ago... check it out
joe
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mountainrat
Mar 26, 2002, 9:52 PM
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Thanks, all btw, that link was excellent
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treyr
Mar 31, 2002, 4:25 PM
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Yeah before sport climbing make sure you know the difference!!!!!
Trob
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beyond_gravity
Mar 31, 2002, 6:05 PM
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I dont get how back clipping can apply to trad climb though. once you get a 2 foot sling on the gear, it doesnt matter if you backclip.
Clip On,
Jeremy
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climbchick
Mar 31, 2002, 6:32 PM
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Here's a good article, with photos:
http://www.altrec.com/published/climb/skills/backclipwhat/
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madclimberboy
Apr 19, 2002, 7:27 PM
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All I can say is, they both stink!
(YES they're completely different, yet deadly!)
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