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beyond_gravity
Feb 15, 2004, 12:50 AM
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My sympathy to the friends and faimly of the three. From Calgary Sun http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/News/2004/02/14/pf-347285.html BANFF -- Three Americans, including two dedicated to rescuing others, were killed when an avalanche swept over them during an ice-climbing outing. The bodies of John Ray Miner, 53, James William Andrues, 66, and 42-year-old Russ Howard were recovered from Mount Wilson, 80 km north of Lake Louise along Hwy. 93. All three worked for the police force in Redmond, Wash. -- Miner was a lieutenant, Howard served in public works, and Andrues left Redmond police to work as a Pierce County community services officer. Yesterday, as the third body was found on the mountain, friends and co-workers in Pierce County, Wash. -- where the men worked and lived -- were devastated and shocked the men died the way they did. "The weird thing is they spent their whole entire lives rescuing people off mountains," said Pierce County police Det. Ed Troyer, where Miner and Andrues were on a volunteer search-and-rescue team. Howard had more than two decades of climbing experience. "Anytime Miner went on holidays it was to the mountains," said co-worker Stacey Holland, public affairs officer with the Redmond city police, where Miner was a lieutenant. "He was the ultimate survivor -- a disaster-awareness guru, from earthquakes to floods, if there was some sort of emergency he taught officers about it," said Holland. "When we first got the news we were holding out hope he would survive, that he would be the one under 50 feet of snow, the Superman-type of thing ... he would be the one to make it out." The trio were to be back in Washington Feb. 22. Mike Mixon, part of a second climbing party that was at Mount Wilson with the group, said the excursion was an annual event. "These were very experienced people with lots of skill not only in climbing but search and rescue," said Mixon, an engineer from the Seattle area who's been with the volunteer Tacoma Mountain Rescue Society for 15 years. The three were killed Thursday when an avalanche swept down their Midnight Rambler climbing route on Mount Wilson. Two were found soon after and the third was located yesterday morning after a dozen park wardens using avalanche dogs and probes combed the debris at the bottom of an ice waterfall where the trio had been climbing. Mark Ledwidge, a public safety specialist for the national mountain parks, said a temperature inversion Thursday probably contributed to the avalanche. "Things were warming up quite quickly above them without their knowing."
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polarwid
Feb 16, 2004, 3:56 AM
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polarwid moved this thread from Alpine & Ice to Injuries & Accidents.
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greyicewater
Feb 17, 2004, 4:31 PM
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because they're american, we acknowledge them? don't get me wrong, it is a terrible tragedy... but i've just noticed that we always give credit to the american climbers... but other climbers that are from other countries hardly get recognition. in magazines they name off the americans and then say "and a french climber" or "and a german climber" etc... it's kind of degrating that's just what i've noticed
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atg200
Feb 17, 2004, 4:46 PM
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you are an asshole and a moron greyicewater. there have been far too many threads lately describing people from a specific country being killed - there is certainly no bias for this sort of thing in accident reports. reporting that they were americans is relevant since they were killed in another country. show a little respect. my condolences to the family and friends.
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greyicewater
Feb 17, 2004, 4:55 PM
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fuck you... i'm sick of every fucking thing that this goddamn country supports, believes in, etc. all we care about is ourselves and what we can benefit from. i don't give a fuck about you or any other goddamn american asshole... i was not talking about death when i said that we don't give enough recognition to people from other countries. i was talking about climbing in general. so fuck you
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jkarns
Feb 17, 2004, 5:03 PM
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I'd have to guess that they were noted specifically as Americans because the accident happened in Canada and the newspaper reporting the story is Canadian, you fool. My condolances to all who will miss them...
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cryder
Feb 17, 2004, 5:03 PM
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In reply to: f--- you... i'm sick of every f---ing thing that this goddamn country supports, believes in, etc. all we care about is ourselves and what we can benefit from. i don't give a f--- about you or any other goddamn american asshole... i was not talking about death when i said that we don't give enough recognition to people from other countries. i was talking about climbing in general. so f--- you This is a thread about three people who died doing what they love. Please be polite and express your feelings about this country, and its recognition of climbers in another thread. My condolences to the friends and family of these climbers. We thank you for the years of service your loved ones offered. Best regards. Nicholas
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greyicewater
Feb 17, 2004, 5:06 PM
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i'm truly sorry to everyone that i have offended. i do feel deep sorrow for the family and friends that lost these people.
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dingus
Feb 17, 2004, 5:36 PM
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In reply to: f--- you... i'm sick of every f---ing thing that this goddamn country supports, believes in, etc. all we care about is ourselves and what we can benefit from. i don't give a f--- about you or any other goddamn american asshole... i was not talking about death when i said that we don't give enough recognition to people from other countries. i was talking about climbing in general. so f--- you Whoa. 3 American climbers are killed and you feel it appropriate to vent in the same thread. You MUST be an American... DMT
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adalta
Apr 10, 2004, 7:54 PM
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In reply to: because they're american, we acknowledge them? don't get me wrong, it is a terrible tragedy... but i've just noticed that we always give credit to the american climbers... but other climbers that are from other countries hardly get recognition. in magazines they name off the americans and then say "and a french climber" or "and a german climber" etc... it's kind of degrating that's just what i've noticed HEY BUDDY THERE AMERICAN MAGAZINES DUMBASS THERE RUN BY AMERICANS, AMERICANS KNOW THERE NAMES SRY FOR BEING RUDE BUT PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER MAN :idea:
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adalta
Apr 10, 2004, 7:58 PM
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if we only cared about our selves we wouldnt be sending food and money to other countrys if we only cared about our selves iraq would still be ruled by a terrible dictator get your sources straight look at the whole picture not half and do all of us a favor and get out of the climbing world beacuse this is about and accident that happend and i only red 2 responses both of them trashing america im sick of all this shit IF U DONT LIKE AMERICA DO THE REST OF US A FAVOR AND LEAVE AND GET OUT OF THE CLIMBING WORLD TO BEACUSE YOUR NOT WANTED
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overlord
Apr 10, 2004, 9:19 PM
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at least they didnt die in iraq. the last few american climbers that i heard that died were killed in iraq.
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bananaman
Apr 10, 2004, 9:47 PM
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Greyicewater... Or whatever your name is. Post your number on this thread. I would like to give you a call, So I can get some information to find out where you live. Once I have it, i am going to buy a plane ticket up to NH to meet you. Then I am gonna drill your ass into the ground Bitch! If you don't like America, then get the hell out. We sure don't want your stupid ass here. Sit behind your computer in the United States, bashing three people that died, while at the same time talking trash about this great country? You are a loser and a weak, scared little chickenshit. Post your number you asshole. I promise I will call you and buy the ticket. Or do you not have enough balls? I can't wait to see, but I am betting on the latter. Post your number and get ready for an ass whoopin'! My condolences to the three Americans that died. My prayers go out to their friends and families.
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mistymountainhop
Apr 10, 2004, 9:59 PM
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They were supposed to be back februaury 22nd? what happened? This is a sad tragedy, and it is a bit unsettling to think how experienced these people are, makes me question my desire to go alpine/ ice climbing. ................................Sorry this thread got totally Highjacked
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Apr 10, 2004, 11:04 PM
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In reply to: My sympathy to the friends and faimly of the three. From Calgary Sun http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/News/2004/02/14/pf-347285.html BANFF -- Three Americans, including two dedicated to rescuing others, were killed when an avalanche swept over them during an ice-climbing outing. The bodies of John Ray Miner, 53, James William Andrues, 66, and 42-year-old Russ Howard were recovered from Mount Wilson, 80 km north of Lake Louise along Hwy. 93. All three worked for the police force in Redmond, Wash. -- Miner was a lieutenant, Howard served in public works, and Andrues left Redmond police to work as a Pierce County community services officer. Yesterday, as the third body was found on the mountain, friends and co-workers in Pierce County, Wash. -- where the men worked and lived -- were devastated and shocked the men died the way they did. "The weird thing is they spent their whole entire lives rescuing people off mountains," said Pierce County police Det. Ed Troyer, where Miner and Andrues were on a volunteer search-and-rescue team. Howard had more than two decades of climbing experience. "Anytime Miner went on holidays it was to the mountains," said co-worker Stacey Holland, public affairs officer with the Redmond city police, where Miner was a lieutenant. "He was the ultimate survivor -- a disaster-awareness guru, from earthquakes to floods, if there was some sort of emergency he taught officers about it," said Holland. "When we first got the news we were holding out hope he would survive, that he would be the one under 50 feet of snow, the Superman-type of thing ... he would be the one to make it out." The trio were to be back in Washington Feb. 22. Mike Mixon, part of a second climbing party that was at Mount Wilson with the group, said the excursion was an annual event. "These were very experienced people with lots of skill not only in climbing but search and rescue," said Mixon, an engineer from the Seattle area who's been with the volunteer Tacoma Mountain Rescue Society for 15 years. The three were killed Thursday when an avalanche swept down their Midnight Rambler climbing route on Mount Wilson. Two were found soon after and the third was located yesterday morning after a dozen park wardens using avalanche dogs and probes combed the debris at the bottom of an ice waterfall where the trio had been climbing. Mark Ledwidge, a public safety specialist for the national mountain parks, said a temperature inversion Thursday probably contributed to the avalanche. "Things were warming up quite quickly above them without their knowing." Back to the subject at hand. Pre-schoolers (pissingreywater?), time for a nap. This is a serious thread here. I'm sorry to the families involved(been there, still there) and wish you all the best. Oud.
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karlbaba
Apr 10, 2004, 11:58 PM
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Having seen a lot of "somebody died climbing" threads over the years, I can say from personal experience that it is very common for non-climbing family and friends to discover these threads in an attempt to make sense of the accident, to try to understand the motives of their lost loved ones in climbing, and to get a sense of the comments of those who knew them. Some have expressed that reading about their lost family member on the net was a powerful and important experience for them So I want to remind the folks that perhaps got carried away in their remarks that there is an "edit" button to undo the past comments and that includes those who quoted the past comments. I'm not usually for censorship but I wouldn't complain in this case if an adminstrator saw fit to lose this thread and give folks a chance to start over with a more mindful sense that the family and friends of the dead will read this thread and their grandkids might google it years down the road Peace karl
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reno
Apr 11, 2004, 12:07 AM
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Thanks, Karl, for being the quiet voice of reason. I too am saddened by the loss of fellow climbers. May they find peace in the world beyond, and may their families find strength to cope with this terrible tragedy.
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adalta
Apr 11, 2004, 3:48 AM
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your right man this did get highjacked i dont care what country your from or what political views u have 3 americans died we should all morn this together i pray for them there freinds and family and from now on this is a climbing forum not a political debate all i want to do is climb peacefuly
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