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fontyyy


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If climbing were a sport or a game, its purity would be lost ................. Most sports have a competetive pinnicle, the best are the top competitors .............our sport (no pun intended) is intrinsic, self satisfying, and non-comparative ........... That sets climbing apart.......
But you can compete, and the reason you know of so many climbers who don't (enter comps) is because you're so involved in it and the climbing press is orientated around people pushing the boundries more than the comps, which (compared to football for instance) are tiny and hardly worth doing.
If there is a basketballer who can run rings around Jordan, or a golfer who can whip Tiger and yet they choose not to compete you wouldn't know about them.

Another "sport" I have been very into for most of my life is freestyle BMX, and I can categorically state as a fact that at least 2 riders in the UK alone who choose not to compete are at least as good as anyone who enters the X-Games or the Gravity Games, so I presume there are several more in the world.

Or maybe with climbing the competition IS the rock (so, in fact we all compete), with (say) golf the competition is the course, with football or cricket or whatever the competition is the other team.

This is just the age old "define sport" thing again..........

So I'll have a go;

"sport" is five letters placed one after another and it all gets a bit blurred after that.


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People consider Cheerleading a sport. i dont think it is but thats my opinion and i do consider climbing a sport it takes strength and mental focuse to get to the top


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http://www.thegendarmeonline.com/store//stock/p425d.jpg

'nuff said


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I'm buying that shirt this weekend if they're open. :)

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Ernest Hemingway: "There are only three sports; Bull Fighting, Motor Racing, and Mountain Climbing. All the rest are just games."

Climbing is NOT a game...but is more of a sport than any other "sport" I have ever played.


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I believe Earnest Hemingway said it best;

"Motor Racing, Mountain Climbing and Bull Fighting are the only true sports. All the rest are children's games played by adults."


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I go with the literal meaning.... sport has to have competition.

If you compete at climbing then it's a sport. If you don't then it's an activity that you do.

I personally see it as more of a lifestyle than anything else.


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Summer and Antoon, I think I beat you to it on the second page. Sorry. :)


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Oh, and..............Chess is NOT a sport.

Curt

By word definition sport is an active pastime or diversion, esp. a game.

this is the N definition right out of my dictionary.

I guess chess and climbing qualify.


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I agree with the guy who said it was religion.


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Climbing is in my opinion a sport, because if it werent, why would so many people be obsessed about it?


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Climbing is my life.


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"There are only 3 real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games."
— Hemingway.

I agree, although I think even Hemingway would have to acknowledge the sportworthiness of street luge.

In fact, I think the main criterion for "sport" is that you can get hurt doing it. Therefore, climbing, like football, hockey, boxing, and their ilk, is a sport. Golf is not.


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I hear climbing referred to as a sport and as a game, I think neither is true... ...It seems that the pinnicle of our sport...

did you just say it wasnt a sport, and then refer to it as a sport in the same paragraph?

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climbing is a lifestyle and a sport combined
it is a lifestyle because we all live climbing and it is a sport because we kind of like to keep score on each other to see who is living the best


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I think that climbing exists both as a "sport", and as a hobby or pastime (or lifestyle). One can ride a bike to get from a to b, or for liesure, or they can compete in the Tour de France...so I think it comes down to perception. I like both aspects of it!


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Sport (n.) - An active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition.

Yep, I'd say so.


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I think it is a sport! Even though I don't compete against others (not really, well kinda' sometimes)... I do compete against myself. I keep score, set goals, train, and have gotten hurt climbing. Friends and family have cheered me on. Looks and feels like a sport to me. But besides being a sport, for me, it is also the following on any given day- a pastime, passion, challenge, hobby, obsession, escape, puzzle, analytical problem, rush, etc. How about a jewel with many facets.


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I just gave a speech on how climbing was more than a sport or a past time, but a culture. :D

Great subject to discuss


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Maybe this has already been done, if it has...apologies.

I am not speaking about climbing comps. I am talking about hanging out at the crags and climbing. While it is certain that climbing requires athletisicm, mental focus, and training, there is no blatent competition. While there is spray and number chasing it isn't that important. If I were to go play a game of bastketball, even just for fun and among friends, we would keep score.

The "gaming" aspect of climbing is lacking, I believe this to be a good thing. It is what keeps me sane and keeps me motivated to climb. If climbing were a sport or a game, its purity would be lost, and thus much of its appeal. I hear climbing referred to as a sport and as a game, I think neither is true. Most sports have a competetive pinnicle, the best are the top competitors. I race a bike and long to have the legs of top European pros, to be able to win. Most climbers (that I know), couldn't care less about comps, they'd love to be able to crank hard but it's not about winning. It seems that the pinnicle of our sport (no pun intended) is intrinsic, self satisfying, and non-comparative. That sets climbing apart.

These are just some of my thoughts, and unlike most of my posts, there is a slight chance I am wrong. I'd like to hear others opinions on this.

it's never been a sport since i started climbing, and I'd krush the rc.com'r that thinks it is a sport.*






*do keep in mind I can't climb very hard, and typically those that can't, spew, those that can, do. And gyms wouldn't get far without 'events' to attract a community.


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The definition of sport is a recreational activity that usually involves more then one person but not always. So i would consider it a sport lol as for free soloing i guess that just a hobbie LMAO damn free soloers.....lol


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dude its not about score or team work or who wins, its about reaching a goal, american football has a different goal to say table tennis, therefore we can say that it is a sport, its just different. Scuba diving is a sport it doesnt have any compatitions, wot about freestyle bikeing, they have compatitions but otherwise its for fun.
And besides have you see some pro climbers they are supper strong and supper fit, like no fat on them.


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Main Entry: sport
Function: noun
1 a : a source of diversion : RECREATION b : sexual play c (1) : physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2) : a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in
2 a : PLEASANTRY, JEST b : often mean-spirited jesting : MOCKERY, DERISION
3 a : something tossed or driven about in or as if in play b : LAUGHINGSTOCK
4 a : SPORTSMAN b : a person considered with respect to living up to the ideals of sportsmanship c : a companionable person
5 : an individual exhibiting a sudden deviation from type beyond the normal limits of individual variation usually as a result of mutation especially of somatic tissue



Sport as a noun. It is recreation. Sex is a sport, chess is a sport, so is football and hockey. There are different types of sports but saying that one isn't is like saying that a steak is more of a food than salad and soup isn't a food at all. (although I do think easy cheese is a satanic goo). That being said I hope to engage in a lot of sport when I see my girlfriend later. Have fun and keep climbing or stop.


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Before spring gets here and everyone is on the rocks or somewhere else, I would like to pose a simple "language use" type of question.

To those who say climbing is not a sport, I would like to ask of them, what is a “sport” to you? Is there something that is a true "sport"?

If nothing is a sport, then how do you define ‘”sport”?

How do you use the word “sport” in a sentence that conveys a positive thought? Do you have a synonym (similar) for "sport" or is it a unique word? Does it have an antonym (opposite) in your usage?

---Escale


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Can you can go sport climbing, sporting your new threads, sporting an attitude in your new sports car? Will you be a poor sport if you fall off your project. Maybe you should reconsider climbing, shouldn't you sport?

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