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darkside
Aug 12, 2004, 7:29 PM
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FYI - I will be posting this on other online bulletin boards.
I regret to report that Campden Crag on the Niagara Escarpment may not have a successful resolution to the issues that have caused an interim closure. Since it was closed following concerns voiced by the conservation authority's board of directors, the Access Committee has had many meetings with the NPCA staff, made presentations to the board of directors, had area walk throughs, and done a lot of research to try and compile a solution. We are still working with staff and local fire/rescue personnel to make a proposal that will successfully re-establish access.
Myself and others on the Access Committee will continue to seek a resolution but it has recently been brought to my attention that some climbers have started to violate the ban. It seems that this has not escaped the attention of NPCA staff. I have asked our portfolio manager to try and establish the extent of these violations but the damage may have already been done. It takes a lot of work to build the sort of trust with land managers that leads to successful deals to re-open access and they have to believe that climbers will respect any future regulations. If climbers are not respecting a current closure, what is to make a land manager believe they will respect future regulations?
I would therefore like to express my disappointment and anger at the individuals who not only have managed to jeopardize the credibility of the Access Committee, but may well have managed to ensure that Campden becomes PERMANENTLY CLOSED.
I apologise for the rant but what the hell part of "CLOSED" do people not understand? Does it not occur to the idiots what they are endangering? I could understand if there was no attempt being made to work on access but there is an ongoing effort on this issue. It is not just my efforts that are being thrown back in my face but it is an insult to every member of the Access Committee and an insult to every respectable climber that is honouring the interim closure.
Could someone please answer my questions? Could someone please tell these idiots that is they who will be responsible if there is no successful end to the closure?
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paddlegurl
Aug 17, 2004, 4:54 AM
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Sorry to hear about this. I'm new to climbing and live in the area and heard it has good climbing.
Why did they restrict access in the first place?
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splish
Jul 18, 2012, 3:36 PM
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Ok, so the last post here is from 2004???
Has there been any progress, or is this area permanently closed?
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dagibbs
Jul 25, 2012, 8:31 AM
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You might try asking on ontarioclimbing.com -- people on there may be more up-to-date on Ontario access issues.
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splish
Jul 25, 2012, 8:32 AM
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dagibbs wrote: You might try asking on ontarioclimbing.com -- people on there may be more up-to-date on Ontario access issues.
Thanks, I did get some responses, apparently its still done, but also people are still climbing there...
So, who knows...
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Kartessa
Jul 25, 2012, 9:17 AM
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splish wrote: dagibbs wrote: You might try asking on ontarioclimbing.com -- people on there may be more up-to-date on Ontario access issues. Thanks, I did get some responses, apparently its still done, but also people are still climbing there... So, who knows...
It means that its still closed, but douchebags who dont give a shit about access are still climbing there.
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splish
Jul 25, 2012, 9:23 AM
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Kartessa wrote: splish wrote: dagibbs wrote: You might try asking on ontarioclimbing.com -- people on there may be more up-to-date on Ontario access issues. Thanks, I did get some responses, apparently its still done, but also people are still climbing there... So, who knows... It means that its still closed, but douchebags who dont give a shit about access are still climbing there.
Thanks Kartessa, you are always so cheery and pleasant. You always know just how to make me smile! 
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Kartessa
Jul 25, 2012, 9:46 AM
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splish wrote: Kartessa wrote: splish wrote: dagibbs wrote: You might try asking on ontarioclimbing.com -- people on there may be more up-to-date on Ontario access issues. Thanks, I did get some responses, apparently its still done, but also people are still climbing there... So, who knows... It means that its still closed, but douchebags who dont give a shit about access are still climbing there. Thanks Kartessa, you are always so cheery and pleasant. You always know just how to make me smile!
Would you rather I encourage you to climb there anyway so you can jeopardize future access?
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splish
Jul 25, 2012, 9:50 AM
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Kartessa wrote: splish wrote: Kartessa wrote: splish wrote: dagibbs wrote: You might try asking on ontarioclimbing.com -- people on there may be more up-to-date on Ontario access issues. Thanks, I did get some responses, apparently its still done, but also people are still climbing there... So, who knows... It means that its still closed, but douchebags who dont give a shit about access are still climbing there. Thanks Kartessa, you are always so cheery and pleasant. You always know just how to make me smile! Would you rather I encourage you to climb there anyway so you can jeopardize future access?
Trust me, I am not the one you have to worry about. I am very weary of access, being in Niagara Falls, I don't have a lot of climbing available to me, so I don't want to lose what I have. Jordan being the closest at a 25 minute drive, after that, everything is an hour or more away. That's why I was asking, and I sent an email to OAC to get the full story.
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