there is another route just to the right of fire in the hole, that me and my friends made up a few yrs back. (not sure if it was already one or not but everytime I go up there looks like nobody ever climbs on it). its a sit start and you start with your right hand on the big iron deposit that is in the shape of a igloo. Deff should check it out has some nice shelfs and finger crimps! you top out the same way you do on fire in the hole. not sure what you would rate it as though.