great route a must climb. if your not there yet just the crux move it self is worth the training to climb this one. when leading this route the first 2 petons are strong but old. after the first bolt you go through a fun crimpy section to a small ledge great rest. i place a size .75 or a 1 cam under the big flake before 2nd bolt. only down side of this climb is after the crux its only a 5.8 with big jugs.