This is a wonderful climb as good as it gets at Echo. However, it's yet another example of the way that first ascents at Echo often assume that nobody will every try to on-sight the route. The bolt placement on this route is terrible, and there is the potential for ugly falls down low. But this is completely unnecessary. Higher up there is a good run out on choss, again unnecessary. As a red point these issues are no big deal, but going for the on-sight they seriously diminish the safety of the route and the experience.