Not sure what Ferriskil is talking about, sent this today, took only about 4 tries in two days making it one of the quickest 12c's I've ever done. The crux is between bolt's 3 and 4, but certainly not V6+ moves with the beta I used, there is a massive jug to clip bolt #4 and a good huge foot out left. The rest of the route is big moves on really big holds. I honestly felt like it was closer to 12b than 12c, on the tougher end of 12b but felt easier than Learning to Crawl and No Recess and WAAAY easier than Head. But I guess different beta can make all the difference.