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<title>New to TN looking to climb</title>
<description>I&#039;m moving to Clarksville, TN from Colorado and am excited to climb some new routes. I&#039;m looking to climb in King&#039;s Bluff as well as TN wall or</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 15:55:33 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Complete list of Fisher Towers.</title>
<description>I&amp;#039;m procrastinating and looking for more info/beta to daydream on and lust over. Does anyone know of a complete online list of the Fisher Towers with</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 15:46:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>is the old DWG book better then the NJ one?</title>
<description>so in other words is it worth me tracking down a used copy of the DWG guide book. the NJ one is &amp;quot;okay&amp;quot; as i&amp;#039;m sure you all know but does the earlier</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 15:16:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>smith partner 11/24 &amp;amp; 11/25</title>
<description>hey all - i&amp;#039;m a climber from eugene who is looking to take advantage of the nice weather on tuesday and wednesday before thanksgiving, and then</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 13:45:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Red Rocks in December</title>
<description>Hoping to be around Red Rocks Dec.8th for a week. Looking for trad partners to do moderate multi-pitch and also do a bit of desert hiking. Heading</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 13:27:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>How to stop wild swinging during campusing?</title>
<description>Well, the subject says it all...  I find that what makes me fall off the campusboard is not a failing grip as such, it is more that I start</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 13:26:23 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Children of a stupid god...</title>
<description>This guy is pretty good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 13:04:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Links for fixed draws?</title>
<description>I want to contribute to a crag by putting up some fixed draws and I was looking at strengths of links. I had some SS links lying around that were</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 11:25:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Christmas time is here!</title>
<description>Ahh. Christmas time, the time every rock climber is searching for endless hours online for the newest and coolest gear. Whats on your Christmas list</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 08:11:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>The New 12/7 - 12/12</title>
<description>Whats up WV  Is there anyone who would want to meet up for any or all of the 5 days I have to be down there?  Im looking to get on some 11&amp;#039;s but</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 07:34:37 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243777</link>
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<title>New River Gorge 12/7 - 12/12</title>
<description>Whats up  Ive got 5 days to climb at the New and I&amp;#039;ve never been before!   Anyone down to climb?  I want to hang out in the 11&amp;#039;s but I&amp;#039;m up</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 07:30:18 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243776</link>
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<title>New climber</title>
<description>looking for suggestions on beginner routes in the Tucson area - easy stuff. I am new to Tucson and will be there in a few weeks.</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 07:03:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Albuquerque</title>
<description>So i am looking at places to live when i come back to the states form Japan. One area I have been offered with my Job is Albuquerque, i was just</description>
<pubDate>22 Nov  2009 05:24:59 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243748</link>
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<title>older petzl jumar vs new model</title>
<description>I got a pair of new L&amp;amp;R jumars on ebay for $50 the other day and I wonder if the new model are better than the older ones. my older models say that</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 21:58:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Quickdraw gate orientations</title>
<description>So i was wondering if anybody had anything to weigh in on how one should orient their gates in their quickdraws. There are pro&amp;#039;s and con&amp;#039;s to either</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 20:44:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Pat Ament film Premiere</title>
<description>For those who may be interested, Pat Ament (author of &amp;quot;Master of Rock&amp;quot; and Wizards of Rock&amp;quot;) will be premiering his new climbing film at Neptune</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 18:30:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Account of Obelisk Accident, california Nov 09</title>
<description>Not sure if this accident was posted in RC but I picked it up from another site.  http://www.summitpost.org/trip-report/575614/Account-of-Obelisk-</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 18:24:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>In spite of the whining do-nothing Republicans...</title>
<description>By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent - 5 mins ago WASHINGTON - Invoking the name of Edward M. Kennedy, Democrats united Saturday night to push</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 17:24:30 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Ugh: Lost Wallet at the Trapps, 11/21/09</title>
<description>So I think my wallet fell out of my pack while packing up at the base of Classic. If you picked it up or know about it, please shoot me a PM.</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 17:20:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Gunks partner tomorrow! Sun Nov 22</title>
<description>Just got a message from my normal partner that he might get called in to work tomorrow. Looks like there&amp;#039;s a 90% chance I&amp;#039;m going to need another</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 16:09:10 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243619</link>
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<title>Climbing on a college campus - Sewanee, TN</title>
<description>For those of you that have always wanted to step out your door and have access to a nearly limitless context of new and quality outdoor experience,</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 13:55:56 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243586</link>
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<title>Enchanted rocks (partner needed)</title>
<description>In town and hope to find a climbing or bouldering partner for enchanted rocks (or anywhere near) for Dec 5 and 6th. Please e-mail me at k2tbui@gmail.</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 12:48:41 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243577</link>
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<title>non-slabs in Arizona??</title>
<description>Hello,  I am going to Arizona in January. PLEASE! Could anybody recommend the best area to visit? Something overhanging more or less, non-slabby</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 12:17:10 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243570</link>
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<title>winter mountaineering Ice climbing california&amp;amp;abroad</title>
<description>hi i am looking for winter mountaineering and ice climbing partners for the sierra and abroad. I have a trip to Banff, and a trip to Colorado</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 12:09:00 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243568</link>
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<title>Wrist/forearm extensor training</title>
<description>With winter knocking at the door, I&amp;#039;m getting really into this whole hangboard business(right now its on my wall but Im in the process of building a</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 11:00:04 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>old black diamond #5</title>
<description>hey all is the old green #5 the same size as the green c4 #6</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 07:39:19 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243510</link>
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<title>Climbing Australia Kissing Point Townsville</title>
<description>Hi All,  Looking for a partener for townsville in NQ when I get up there in the new year.  Wanted to climb at Kissing Point as it has been years</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 05:31:04 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243495</link>
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<title>Lost Guidebook - Near Military Wall</title>
<description>A big Thank-You to whoever picked the guidebook off the road near Military this week. I&amp;#039;d set it on the car roof + we drove off. BY the time we got</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 04:02:59 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243487</link>
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<title>Thoughts on chocolate versus vanilla</title>
<description>I am too new to get into a posting argument about chocolate versus vanilla cocks, but I did want to leave a thought behind. I think I really like</description>
<pubDate>21 Nov  2009 03:46:46 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243486</link>
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<title>The Bowline</title>
<description>I was punchin cows last week (wishin it was Chili and JD512) and I realized I didn&amp;#039;t yet coverthe bowline with you tin horns. Well here it is!</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 20:54:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Looking for a Austin, TX Day After Thanksgiving Climbing partner</title>
<description>I&amp;#039;ll be in Austin for the Thanksgiving weekend and looking for a climbing partner for the Friday after Thanksgiving. I&amp;#039;m looking to climb Barton</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 15:34:23 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243333</link>
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<title>Georgia Climbs?</title>
<description>Gonna be in Georgia for about 2 weeks as of right now, looking for some people to do some bouldering with. I climb up to V3-4. (depending how sharp</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 15:23:59 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243326</link>
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<title>Playlists, old and new again</title>
<description>So this topic is here. I searched and found it. Not in the same way I&amp;#039;m approaching it though. Trouble is I&amp;#039;m not musically versed but I heard some</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 12:48:32 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243252</link>
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<title>Moving to Valdez, Alaska</title>
<description>SO. I&amp;#039;ll be that person, with all the shiny new gear, and no clue how to use it. I&amp;#039;m moving to Valdez in early December. I&amp;#039;ve climbed one pitch of</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 11:25:51 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243219</link>
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<title>looking into my first rope</title>
<description>ok, so i am looking into buying my first rope but i don&amp;#039;t know what i should be looking for. for example, UIAA falls... what does that mean?  just</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 11:25:47 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243218</link>
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<title>Late season Climbing &amp;amp; Bouldering in BC</title>
<description>my climbing partner Andrew &amp;amp; I went out climbing &amp;amp; bouldering last weekend, although our typical place to climb is Skaha we have found a few other</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 10:49:30 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Jerry Brown, Attorney General for CA</title>
<description>He may be a populist as#@&amp;amp;%e of the first order and he&amp;#039;s clearly vying to make gubernatorial history.... but by god I really like old Moonbeam this</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 10:31:01 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243188</link>
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<title>Disco bear attacks nun.</title>
<description>[image]http://www.supertopo.com/photos/1/39/135469_12224_L.jpg[/image]</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 10:18:34 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243170</link>
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<title>BC ski or ice partners SW Colorado next 2 weeks</title>
<description>I&amp;#039;m in Crested Butte working for the next couple of weeks. My schedule is totally flexible, and I&amp;#039;d like to get out and either climb some ice or</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 10:11:05 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243164</link>
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<title>Thoughts on chocolate versus vanilla</title>
<description>N/</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 09:06:17 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243111</link>
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<title>Thoughts on chocolate versus vanilla</title>
<description>I am too new to get into a posting argument about chocolate versus vanilla ice cream, but I did want to leave a thought behind. I think I really like</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 09:06:17 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243098</link>
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<title>need advice on where to climb this weekend (nor cal)</title>
<description>so I am in the east bay  me and friends had been planning to go to bishop for a handful of days in november for awhile now but chance has conspired</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 09:05:01 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243095</link>
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<title>Improving lactic threshold?</title>
<description>In cycling, lactic threshold is a concept embraced and focused on at an early stage. Everything from sprinting to long climbs is done in the</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 08:07:27 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2243035</link>
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<title>Working vacation in Vt</title>
<description>I&amp;#039;m native Vermonter who relocated to NC 12 years ago. I will be getting to Vt on the 23rd will be their possibly thru mid december. Looking to get</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 06:29:48 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2242978</link>
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<title>Gunks Partner Sat Nov 21</title>
<description>Looking for a partner Saturday and maybe Sunday the 22nd  Lead to 5.6, second 5.8, TR .9 &amp;amp; maybe .10 Looking to lead High E this weekend, haven&amp;#039;t</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 05:51:26 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2242963</link>
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<title>American Jesus (not the Bad Religion song)</title>
<description>[image]http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt338/sharpendpate/JesusvsJeezus.jpg[/image]  Which one do you prefer pinkie, the real one or the</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 05:37:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Spain El Chorro</title>
<description>Hello,  I am looking for a climbing partner to El Chorro. I will be at 4th to 12th January there. I can lead up to 6b maybe 6c+.  Get in touch if</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 04:59:10 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2242943</link>
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<title>Climbing partner in Perth/Tasmania</title>
<description>Hi!  I am 30 years old and I am from Barcelona, city in which I live at the moment.   I will be travelling to Perth and Tasmania in a 3 weeks,</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 04:51:07 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2242942</link>
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<title>Marriage is now banned in Texas</title>
<description>Story.  Apparently, they meant to ban gay marriage, but forgot to actually say that, so that the law now reads:  This state…may not create or</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 02:01:17 -0800</pubDate>
<link>http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2242932</link>
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<title>Climbing partner in Grenoble</title>
<description>I&amp;#039;ve just moved to Grenoble from the UK so I&amp;#039;m looking for a regular climbing partner in the area. I have a van with me and I&amp;#039;m keen to get out to</description>
<pubDate>20 Nov  2009 01:00:07 -0800</pubDate>
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